A Big Quixotic Favor
Submitted by PartieLion on Wed, 07/04/2007 - 5:12pm
According to national polls, there are Republicans who want to bring the troops home and who want some accountability from the administration. No doubt these are folks that want to save their party.
We all know that impeachment is hollow without conviction and that it will take 17 Republicans (including the one to offset Lieberman) voting to successfully convict on impeachment.
We also know that our esteemed Senators are deaf to correspondence from registered Democrats. And we know that Congressional offices have rules of thumb for the calculus of how much support there is for an issue based on how many people (Republican-type people in Dole's case) are worked up about this issue. We saw the application of this principle in the case of No OLF.
So if you know one of those disaffected Republicans, get them to contact Senator Dole's office during the summer recess and get them to have other disaffected Republicans to do the same.
In case you have been sleeping (few here fall into that group), you know that we face a bipartisan struggle to save American Constitutional government. And that the Democrats in Congress will not move forward on Iraq or impeachment until they are clear that the effort will become bipartisan.
Like I said, quixotic--but worth trying.
That's Not Many
Which 17 will have to balls to stand up and help save our country?
Can we find 17 with the integrity of sc?
hello? bueller? is this thing on ....?
I'll forget you mentioned the Carpetbagger. There ain't no help there. The best thing to do with that useless piece of legislative flesh is ignore her and help her pack after election day.
Madame Liddy
Yep, we can ignore the Carpetbagger, but we should encourage the Republicans that we know who have broken with Bush not to ignore her. She is counting on all Republicans plus independents for re-election. (I know, I know) We need someone she must listen to to tell her it ain't gonna happen with Republicans unless she breaks with Bush. And what are the two best ways to break with Bush: bring the troops home and impeach his sorry ass.
The 17 don't need integrity. They just need fear of a major part of Republicans breaking away from them, even if it is a minority, a reality-oriented minority. They win at the margin; this takes away their margin. It's not about principle; it's not about integrity; it's about a raw caculus of votes. And it will be interesting to see how many Republicans are so wedded to their ideology that they can't count.
50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts
50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts
Oh, and would this be -
bob?
I've never heard tell of her listening much to anyone who made sense.
So what you are saying
So what you are saying is:
1) There are no Republicans who want to bring the troops home.
2) There are no Republicans who find the commutation of Libby's sentence an obstruction of justice.
3) None of the folks who fall into categories 1 and 2 will contact Liddy Dole with their opinions.
4) Even if they did, Liddy and her staff are so arrogant they won't even listen to rank-and-file Republicans.
5) We shouldn't even test whether 1, 2, 3, and 4 are true.
6) We might as well write off the possibility of impeaching and convicting any of those in the Bush administration who have stretched to the breaking point the meaning of the Constitution.
7) Impeachment doesn't matter. Just make your peace with the fact that there will be more troops who will die between now and January 2009. Just make your peace with the fact that the longer Bush and Cheney are in office, the more power they will usurp.
I don't intend to do that. But all of the remedies that I have at hand are quixotic in one respect or another.
No, I'm not "bob", whatever that has to do with the issue.
50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts
50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts
Nope. Not Exactly.
I would never agree to #6.
That should be the aim of anyone who dares call themselves a Patriot.
bob - is liddy's husband. I thought everyone knew that - perhaps I'm mistaken.
Have I met any Republicans worth talking to in NC?
Three of them. One switched and I still can't figure out why the other two ARE Republicans.
That's what I meant.
Is it clearer now?
Well I guess we're stuck
No progressive Democrat seems to know any of the reported disaffected Republicans that keep showing up in polls as wanting out of Iraq and wanting Bush impeached.
Makes you wonder about those polls. Or maybe we don't know who of our Republican acquaintances have now (as of July 2007) had enough.
Anyone who switched should pro forma write the our esteemed Republican Senators and, if in a Republican CD, their Congresscritter.
50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts
50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts
I Don't Read Polls
unless they are statistically significant.
What you know, who you know, how you word the question - it all depends.