A bit of fascism comes to Asheville?
Here is a copy of the rarely used North Carolina law, that makes flag desecration a Class 2 misdemeanor:
Article 52.
Miscellaneous Police Regulations.
§ 14‑381. Desecration of State and United States flag.
It shall be unlawful for any person willfully and knowingly to cast contempt upon any flag of the United States or upon any flag of North Carolina by public acts of physical contact including, but not limited to, mutilation, defiling, defacing or trampling. Any person violating this section shall be deemed guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor.
The flag of the United States, as used in this section, shall be the same as defined in 4 U.S.C.A. 1 and 4 U.S.C.A. 2. The flag of North Carolina, as used in this section, shall be the same as defined in G.S. 144‑1.(1917, c. 271; C.S., s. 4500; 1971, c. 295; 1993, c. 539, s. 253; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c).)
A local activist had this to say about the incident:
The Kuhns were engaged in a legal and constitutionally protected expression of dissent. Like it or not. But to call it a "desecration," is to exaggerate. Apparently it offended someone enough to call the authorities, and to make a personal visit to the Kuhn's in combat camouflage clothing. Intimidation? An attempt to terrorize?" That seems like the real crime here.
Clare, the local activist who wrote the piece above, points out that desecration of the flag is legal in the USA, even though the majority of us don’t feel that what the Kuhn’s did was desecration at all. It was a political statement, done at their home. She also gives some background information on the prior visit by Asheville Police officer, which resulted in no arrests and no citations.
But, it is the breaking into the home that I find most disturbing. This deputy felt he had the right to go into their home against their wishes to deliver a citation for a misdemeanor. He could have just mailed it to them. Deputy Scarborough acted like a jack-booted thug in my opinion. While he was inside the home, Mrs. Kuhn called 911 and then ran out into the street while her husband dealt with Deputy Scarborough.
As Clare wrote:
When the Kuhns' refused the officer entry to their home, and declined to produce Identification cards so he could issue a ticket, the situation escalated. The officer claims the Kuhns closed the door on his hand, breaking the window in the process. But they did close the door, and that is an important point. They did refuse consent to an illegal entrance into their home by an officer whose provincial understanding of the law, combined with his lack of restraint and judgment, and with no warrant or probable cause, engaged in an illegal breaking and entry that resulted in a horrific violation of rights and a demonstration of out of control police power.
Final words from Clare:
So, if you have a flag, turn it upside down today. Fly it as a potent symbol of distress. Fly it in solidarity with Mark and Deborah Kuhn. We must not stand by while dissent is criminalized and outspoken citizens are assaulted. Call the Buncombe County Sheriff Department's Public Information Officer, Lt. Randy Sorrells, at 828-250-4473 and voice your concern. There is a pending criminal case, according to Lt. Sorells, and well there should be.
If you come to Asheville, please put a flag on your car and turn it upside down. And feel free to call the Buncombe Country Sheriff’s office if you feel inclined. And if you want to see a picture of someone desecrating a US flag by writing on it, take a look here.







I wish I were there.
I have a whole collection of old flag I burn on occasions like this. A large scale act of civil-disobedience is in order.
Call the ACLU.
Do good. Be nice. Have fun.
they did call the ACLU and they are on it....
we are hoping it goes national.
It's not the unconstitutional law that bothers me, though, it is the breaking and entering that I find deeply disturbing.
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we are hoping it goes national.*DW
It has and will get bigger.......Dumbass Pope neo-cons republicans gone wild again!
I am thinking about pissing on the flag and wrapping it around John Hood and Rudy head. Go Ron!
Still better than New Hanover County
where they knock on your door, and when you come to answer it shoot you in the head through the door.
Say what?
Give a little information with your comment please.
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Some months ago a young man and some of his friends
apparently took, by force, electronic games (XBox maybe) from another young man. The Sheriff's dept sent a swat team to serve a warrant on the young man in question. The full details of his death are not yet public knowledge, but the swat team apparently heard a loud noise from inside after they "knocked" and the end result was the young man and his dog were both killed. The man was apparently shot dead through the unopened door...no details on how the dog died. .
The local grand jury messed up and the officer in question was proclaimed innocent by clerical error and then the local DA turned it over to the state...and the officer was recently exonerated by some means. I really have no true picture of what happened..
It APPEARS the young man (@18 years old) was not a nice person, but the shooting was probably not appropriate either. The local Sheriff has been mum. The populace isn't happy, and nothing has been explained.
My guess...the kid was likely being a beligerent kid...the officers were likely not happy to be out in the early AM serving a warrant....and things went haywire. That's likely being kind. The kid's father is a prominent Atty in the Raleigh area.
Somehow the truth needs to come out.
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what i heard
was that the officer who shot through the door heard a noise. A noise which was not heard by any of the other officer's with him.
From what I read the kid sounded like a criminal, but he also deserved a day in court because he was innocent until proven guilty.
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"Keep the Faith"
I found that article too and just posted this:
What happenend to all the good Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts out there? I was taught that the only proper way to handle a flag was with white gloves and if it was ever in need of disposal, burning was the only option.
That said, I think everyone with a love for this country should be flying the flag upside down. We are in crisis.
loftT | 07.27.07 - 12:35 pm
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Flag Burning IS the Law
That's the only proper way to dispose of a tattered flag.
Prove to me that's not what was happening.
Especially if you weren't invited onto my property.
"Now get the ***&* out and Stay Out."
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There's more on this...
At ScruHoo
Everyone note that the couple are displaying a Ron Paul for President sign, so they're not your run-of-the-mill liberals. Further - I once had this woman call me a traitor for refusing to believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
Just a couple of contextual tidbits.
I'm off to Chicago!
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Did you see that! That dang building fell on it's own!
Everyone note that the couple are displaying a Ron Paul for President sign, so they're not your run-of-the-mill liberals.*SH
More like real Liberals!
Further - I once had this woman call me a traitor for refusing to believe that 9/11 was an inside job.*SH
You are in luck! There are millions of 9/11 Truth activists out there now. Be nice and just remember most are democrats who hate Bush and the repubs. Forget the traitor part! They know who the real traitors are.
I'm off to Chicago!*SH
Good for you! Do you know that the Sears tower can fall in 11.2 secs with help from the Spooks.
A 9/11 Truth and Reconciliation commitee
needs to happen soon. America will never heal from that day without the truth. People who care about this should start compiling the questions now. Even if we don't get answers to everything, this excercise should start bringing this story into focus.
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Don't Hold Your Breath
By the time that particular truth comes out we all will be long gone.
Our great great grandkids (should we be so lucky) might know the truth.
Sorta like the Warren commission report... yeah. Sorta like.
If we don't try to find the truth soon,
our opportunity will be gone. The individuals who have stories to tell will not be with us forever. And we are not the naive nation we once were in the days of the Warren commission. We know too much and yet not enough.
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I had a long post on this the day it happened
but did not post it.
I am appalled at what happened. I live less than 1/2 mile away from there, and pass it everyday. I saw it evolve.
My wife and I discussed it several times, predicting something like this would happen. I think the people there wanted it to happen.
I have decided to wait to see what happens next before joining the fray.
You're Right -
Watergate kind of changed all that for us ... and damn if we aren't still living with the consequences of it.