Alarming voter fraud

The NC GOP lie machine is being spun up to full speed, based on the Tillisberger's report of "Alarming Evidence of Voter Error and Fraud".

We could comment on many things, such as:

  • Wow! Those are some really big numbers! Oh, wait, they reflect only a very tiny fraction of votes cast;
  • This is some VERY carefully spun data intentionally designed to be very misleading and alarm low-information consumers of the information;
  • This data probably represents what's been happening for a long time, and nearly all of it is likely to be easily explainable and innocuous; and
  • They offer no evidence that any of this would have been prevented by their voter suppression law.

Just when you think they can't sink any lower with their shrill messages to gin up the right-wing extremist base, they sink even lower.

We await a more reasoned analysis of this data (Kim Strach is pretending to be cautious about this, while loons like Rucho and and Moore offer rabid comments), but Kim Strach isn't the one who will offer the reasoned analysis. It will have to be folks like ProgressNC, DemocracyNC and Fitzsimon.


This will be in the headlines

for awhile.

And that's what Tillisberger wants. Give their base more reason to foam at the mouth. Later it will turn out to be not a a big deal at all. But that won't make the headlines.

That's the Fox News formula.

And by the way, Fox News headline for this is "Massive Voter Fraud Scandal Erupts in North Carolina". The New York Post and Wing Nut Daily would be proud!

"What I see from the folks who are opposing our agenda is whining coming from losers." -- Thom Tillis

For those keeping track

the largest of these numbers represent 0.015% of the 101,000,000 voter records investigated. It's unclear if any more than 765 people (0.00075%) actually voted twice (assuming that's correct). The other items, citing much larger numbers, appear to be worded to alarm people but don't actually say that people voted twice in the same election.

We'll continue to await a sane, rational analysis.

"What I see from the folks who are opposing our agenda is whining coming from losers." -- Thom Tillis


...from coal ash.

and diversion

from voter suppression court cases and producing voter suppression public record emails.

"What I see from the folks who are opposing our agenda is whining coming from losers." -- Thom Tillis


it's considered appropriate to present your evidence of a problem first, then propose your solution, then debate whether the solution will address the problem. That's how it's done in business (which they claim to want to run government like) and other corners of the real world.

and isn't it ironic

that ALEC, Tillisberger's boss, that claims to be all about business, does it just the opposite way? "Here's the law you need to pass, don't ask us why".

"What I see from the folks who are opposing our agenda is whining coming from losers." -- Thom Tillis

Where's the criminal charges?

Voter fraud's a crime, right?

So where are the criminal charges?

If Tillis and company have names, addresses, dates of birth and social security numbers as well the locations and possible times of day where the votes were cast, I don't see why a criminal investigation and charges could not be filed. And, since social security numbers are involved, there's a potential for charges on identification theft. This would also be evidence of possible interstate crime - has the information been turned over to the FBI?

Is it, perhaps, a fear that it will reveal some Republican operatives engaging in voter fraud in some of the rural counties in the periphery of the state?

Put up or shut up, Tillis.

Great point. Charge 'em or STFU

'Nuff said.

The more I think about this....

... the more angry I am about it.

Tillis and his cronies are sitting on evidence of possible felonies.

Tillis needs to stop whining - work with McCrory and the FBI to start criminal investigations.

Does a BlueNC blogger have to use a FOI request to get the names and address of those 700 people who fradulently voted and investigate it ourselves?

The presentation made it

The presentation made it sound, at least to me, as if this was an inter-goverment effort to cross-check voters. But is it not. It is a company.

Interstate Crosscheck.... "The program was developed by Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a Republican ....He also has championed voter ID laws, and drew support from one side and lawsuits from the other when he imposed a citizenship check on voter registration. The ACLU, says Daniel Ho, director of its Voting Rights Project, is preparing to sue Kobach for violating the National Voters Rights Act."

In addition:

...within the 28 states that participate in this "interstate crosscheck" program, there have been 10 (TEN) cases of possible (POSSIBLE) voter fraud turned over to law enforcement or the FBI for further investigation.

What did it cost our state to participate in this 'program?'

What sets the Interstate Crosscheck program apart from other systems state and local election boards use is the size of its database —in 2012, the program compared more than 84 million voter registration records — and the massive number it tends to report as “possible double registrations,”— what would appear to be the same person, in different states.

The program’s 2013 scan identified over five million such cases – about one in seventeen of every record it scanned.

It’s a staggering number – but also staggeringly deceptive one.

The program, for instance, appears to count every instance in which someone has moved out of a state, registered to vote in their new state, but has not yet been removed from the old voter rolls, a process that can take several election cycles to happen automatically.

And while the program asks member states to submit 13 items of data for each voter, including the last four digits of his/her social security number and middle name, Kansas state department officials acknowledged in an email that all that’s required for the crosscheck program to generate a “possible duplicate entry,” is for the last name, first name, and date of birth to match.

When told that the crosscheck reports use only last and first names and a birthday, Philadelphia elections commissioner Stephanie Singer audibly gasped.

“There are going to be a lot of David Lees on that list,” she said.

A “hit,” meanwhile, means even less when it comes to detecting the kind of voter fraud the program is supposed to target: double voting, in which a voter registered in two states votes simultaneously in both.

Evidence of such fraud is scant. Only a handful of cases have been documented anywhere, ever. The the logistics alone of a voter’s voting twice, in two different states, can stretch the imagination.

But that hasn’t stopped politicians participating in the Crosscheck program from using it to suggest that fraud abounds. In their simplistic equation, errors equal voter fraud.

Following his state’s participation in the Crosscheck program, Ohio Secretary of State John Husted announced: “This report demonstrates that voter fraud does exist,” citing numbers in the hundreds to back up his claim. In fact, his office referred only 20 cases to law enforcement and none have resulted in charges so far.

Earlier this year, Colorado Secretary of State Scott Gessler announced that the Crosscheck had helped identify 17 cases of alleged fraud, which were submitted to the Boulder County District Attorney’s office for investigation. In July, the Boulder D.A. announced that none had involved fraud and called Gessler’s actions “politically motivated.”

Kobach himself, the Crosscheck program’s creator, recently told the Washington Times that “double voting is a real common form of voter fraud.”

Kobach’s office defended this assertion only by noting, via a spokesperson, that “These observations are based on experience, so they’re substantiated in that sense,” and could not say whether the Interstate Crosscheck program had resulted in a single charge of voter fraud, in Kansas or anywhere else.

What the program has resulted in, meanwhile, is voter purges.

The Interstate Crosscheck program itself doesn’t itself tell states what to do with the reports the program generates — but several states have used the reports to justify mass purges of voters from the rolls.

I find it hard to imagine that 35,000 people drove or flew to NC to vote in our elections….

Points of data?

And while the program asks member states to submit 13 items of data for each voter, including the last four digits of his/her social security number and middle name...

Just what 13 points of data do they share? Is sharing of this information open to possible abuse by the company to, for example, sell or share names, addresses and other information to marketing or political firms? Is there any data being shared that might open the voter to identity theft or to being the victim of other criminal activity?

Article reference; questions

For reference, I believe this the article Vicki is quoting from:

What's really not clear is what kind of entity this is. Is it a private company or non-profit, contracting with each state? Is it a kind of "co-op" with participating states providing funding/staffing to run it? Is it just a bunch of kids with Excel in Kris Kobach's basement at home?

I've done a lot of searching on the web and I can't find anything that gives some clarification on this.

Another article

Here's a ThinkProgress story with similar information but a few additional tidbits.

"What I see from the folks who are opposing our agenda is whining coming from losers." -- Thom Tillis

It would appear

to be more of a co-op sort of thing. This ACLU article says it's "administered by the Kansas Secretary of State" and this Virginia propaganda says "Kansas state election officials perform a
match of this data".

One Korbach report says states don't pay fees. So it appears that Kansas taxpayers are footing the bill, along with whatever it costs us for the time of the BoE staff to prepare and submit the data -- and now to spend countless hours investigating a bunch of red herrings.

"What I see from the folks who are opposing our agenda is whining coming from losers." -- Thom Tillis

If that's the case ...

... then I'd like to know what safeguards are in place to protect the data and make sure it's not used for commercial purposes, direct political marketing or research by parties or PACS, or other purposes.

Ultimately, with the data moving across state borders, how do we know what it's ultimately being used for, how it is secured, and how it is disposed of after this particular effort?

The data is the full voter information set from 28 states. That could be useful for more than just pushing laws restricting voting.

Excellent point

One of the articles says that the participating states upload their data to a "secure server". But we all know that's a relative term, and one wonders how secure Kansas's server is.

And that still would not address your other valid concerns, like who has access to the data and for what purpose. Given that the guy running the show is a right-wing nut job voter suppressionist who has already been sued more than once (he's the guy who wants you to have to present proof of citizenship, such as a birth certificate or passport, to vote), it's not hard to imagine that he wouldn't have many qualms about sharing it with his friends.

So yes, it would be good to know just what they're doing. And given that it's nearly impossible to find out, and they refuse to tell, it certainly makes one uneasy.

"What I see from the folks who are opposing our agenda is whining coming from losers." -- Thom Tillis

Fantastic info, Vicky


"What I see from the folks who are opposing our agenda is whining coming from losers." -- Thom Tillis

In addition, the N&O reports

In addition, the N&O reports that some counties have sent out absentee ballots and the return envelope clearly shows the voter's party affiliation on the outside of the envelope. While this is, indeed, publicly available info, allowing everyone who handles that envelope to decide whether or not to throw it away before it gets to its final destination is not really appropriate.

I did not see more specific

I did not see more specific info on what 'points of data' are shared, but found it alarming that this Republican run company now has official voter data from 24 states.

It could include specific elections a voter participated in, which party's primary ballot was chosen (for unaffiliated voters, this would show a tendency to vote for one party or the other and can be used to target that voter in upcoming elections), home address, race and gender.

Could it ...

... also include the polling place and possibly the time they voted in different elections? Also, did they cross-index it with DMV records to include NC driver's license numbers?

Teddy wants to know more about what kind of data the state has been sharing with this Republican affiliated company and exactly how the company has been using it.

GOP lie machine update

Repeating past behavior, the NC GOP lie machine cranked up to spread this lie, but once the debunking started to reach critical mass, it got quiet again. A couple stragglers who got the memo late published some stuff today but went silent soon thereafter.

But all that Tillisberger really wanted was to get this on Fox News, and they succeeded at that. Roger Ailes will take it from here, harping on it nightly for awhile, we're sure. It won't matter that it will turn out to be false and misleading. The truth doesn't matter; what matters to Fox is getting the lies ingrained in the heads of their gullible audience.

Death panels, Obama's not a US citizen, and massive vote fraud scandal in NC.

"What I see from the folks who are opposing our agenda is whining coming from losers." -- Thom Tillis