Caving in to the right-wing never works
It didn't take long for the Edwards campaign to get schooled on Swift Boating -- by proxy, no less. And the two newly hired bloggers are in the crossfire -- depending on where you're surfing, they have either been fired -- or fired and rehired.
The right-wing banshees of the blogosphere hopped on the smear train as soon as they learned that Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon and Melissa McEwan of Shakespeare's Sister were hired by the former NC Senator and 2008 presidential candidate to work as, respectively, blogmaster and netroots coordinator. The fact that the righty blogs went on the attack is no surprise, as this is what political sport has come to.
All the bloviating on the winger blogs can be taken with a big grain of salt -- there are a lot of mouths on both the left and right that shoot off indiscriminately, if passionately, about politics -- and that has no bearing on the ability to write well in a professional capacity, which is why the two were hired to begin with. Melissa has written as a journalist for Raw Story, for example. Her work there in no way reflects her writing style on her personal blog. Alas, that doesn't matter when hardball politics get in the way.
Read more after the flip.
Glenn Greenwald, as always, hits the mark (my emphasis):
I do not know of many bloggers, or citizens generally, who do not have some views that would be offensive to large groups of people and who periodically express those views in less than demure ways, but if that is going to be the standard, we ought to apply it universally to all bloggers who are affiliated with political campaigns.Let's begin with Patrick Hynes, the paid consultant for John McCain's presidential campaign. Hynes continuously blogged about political matters, including ones involving McCain and the GOP field, while concealing that he was on McCain's paid staff. That was not the first time Hynes has been caught using deceitful tricks to manipulate the blogosphere into writing content on behalf of his undisclosed clients.
...Hynes' public writing is devoted to pure religious divisiveness -- he focuses almost exclusively on the claim that Christianity is superior and that those who attend church live better lives, and specifically to the belief that the Republican Party is the true party of those who believe in God and that Democrats are "anti-Christian." He wrote a book entitled In Defense of the Religious Right, and in an interview about that book in July, 2006, this is what he said:
Miner: Is it fair to call America a "Christian nation"?
Hynes: Yes. America is a Christian nation. As I write in my book, "Is America a Christian nation? Of course it is. Don't be ridiculous. What a stupid question.
Does McCain agree with that view, or think it is acceptable to label as "stupid" objections to the notion that "America is a Christian nation." Is that not as divisive and offensive, at least, as anything Marcotte wrote?
Glenn also talks about more online behavior by Hynes involving insults toward Henry Waxman that would qualify as "vulgar" by any measure.
The big mistake, quite frankly, was for the Edwards campaign to place any legitimacy at the door of arch-hack William Donohue of the Catholic League. For this man to call anyone "trash-talking bigots" is laughable, considering his history of talking head and written chicanery. The Catholic League is a far-right organization, and Donohue is so extreme that he's taken Bill O'Reilly to the woodshed. Let's take a look at the wisdom and mainstream ideas of Donohue in his column, "What's the Matter With White People."
First gays wanted tolerance. To tolerate is to put up with, and that's what homosexuals wanted from heterosexuals - to publicly acknowledge their presence without rancor or discord. Having won that battle (deservedly so), they proceeded to reject tolerance altogether. What they did was to raise the bar: they wanted social affirmation. Nothing less than social approval of who they are -- including their lifestyle -- would satisfy. Now they want us to say it's okay for a guy to marry a guy.Americans are a tolerant people. That's good, just so long as tolerance doesn't slide into amorality. For example, it is one thing to put up with immoral behavior, quite another to say we no longer object. Not only is there nothing wrong with registering moral outrage at morally outrageous behavior, there is something immoral about remaining silent. And no segment of society fails this test more than white people; in particular, well-educated white people.
...The Pew Hispanic Center found that 72 percent of Latinos believe homosexual sex between adults is "unacceptable"; 59 percent of whites feel the same way. In New York State, in a poll of Democratic voters taken by Edison Media Research, it was determined that 27 percent of Hispanics thought gays should be able to marry; 47 percent of whites approved. In Florida, a survey by Schroth & Associates found that 20 percent of Hispanics were pro-gay marriage, compared to 29 percent of whites.
The same phenomenon exists worldwide. Virtually every nation in the world where the right of two men to marry is being seriously advanced is white: it is in Canada, the U.S. and Europe where the gay rights movement is flourishing. It is not flourishing in Asia, the Middle East, Africa or Latin America. Just in nations that are predominantly white.
This pattern is evident in the United Nations as well: non-white nations are busy resisting the tide of the gay rights movement that is being foisted upon them by rich white countries.
Case closed (if it's not yet for you, then take a look at this bit of Donohue). How, pray tell, can this be considered a reasonable man worth coddling?
Whatever opinions Melissa and Amanda hold on a variety of political issues, they are completely their own. The fact is that they have used profanity in their posts, and wrote rants that many disagree with, but their forums are about personal expression and opinion, not journalism or op-eds for a major paper. They were selected by the Edwards campaign to put on a different hat, a professional hat -- as if no one else out there does the same thing each and every day if they have a personal blog and work in a venue that is dependent on writing copy or business correspondence. They know the difference, but that's clearly not the issue at work here. It's about getting someone in the kill zone, and trying to knock off John Edwards in the process.
The biggest mistake of all is that a campaign with a long way to go to get to the finish line is so easily spooked by elements on the right that aren't worth the time of day. Team Edwards, the votes you want aren't going to come from the crowd that reads Malkin or pays attention to Donohue when he shows up foaming at the mouth interrupting other guests with intolerant comments on a chat show.
You can drop a line to the Edwards campaign to let them know what you think. Frankly, dismissing these two women wouldn't help in any damage control they perceive they need to do. The "scandal" doesn't deserves the attention it's been given, particularly when you have the Bush administration wasting billions in Iraq, countless lives have been lost, a health care system that is broken...and, well, that's the tip of the iceberg.
The Edwards campaign is taking its eye is off the political ball; the right-wing blogosphere smells blood in the water. Team Edwards must be an easy mark if it's unable to roll with the punches to address a tempest in a teapot.
See:
* All Spin Zone
* Message to John Edwards: Don't Back Down







Hate to say it, but if they cave
I will have no choice but to agree with you. I'm going to wait to see what they do before jumping in, though.
That doesn't mean I'm not going to email them to let them know how I feel about caving to the right wing and letting them dictate the rules.
Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.
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Vote Democratic, the ass you save may be your own.
Beautiful job
No matter what the campaign does, your point is absolutely on the mark. Caving is stupid.
Do good. Be nice. Have fun.
Thanks for this, Pam
And I agree completely. I, like many others who support Amanda & Melissa, used the contact form at the blog to voice my support earlier today.
We'll see what happens, and hope for the best.
I like the person that the right is smearing
It shows who the right is afraid of. They know that Edwards would be a shoe-in in the general and want to derail him now.
It's not about that
It's about derailing bloggers, not about derailing Edwards specifically.
If Edwards runs from the Wurlitzer's attack machine, then look for a massive increase in attacks on blogs and bloggers. It's going to keep happening anyway, but capitulating to the Swift Boaters is a sure fire way to get Kerried.
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With no offense intended to anyone of any faith...
the Catholic League has a hell of a nerve protesting words that they say defame their church...while at the same time standing passively by while some of their priests were molesting children....and they knew it! Hypocrisy, wouldn't you say?
Stan Bozarth
What a shame - I responded
What a shame - I responded in a knee-jerk way. I've edited this.
My apologies.
"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi
spineless Democrats
spineless Democrats appeasing reactionaries is nothing new here in NC. Just look at the Jessecrats and all of the Dems here who are ashamed to say they are liberals.
the "who you calling a
the "who you calling a liberal" DINOS that Im talking about are the ones you see coming in and out of buidlings down on Jones Street this time of year.
Oh,
uh huh. Them.
Some Dems aren't liberal~ But they're still Democrats. I'd rather they be Democrats than Republicans. I think we are, and should be, the real"big tent" party. See, as a Liberal, I don't have a problem with viewpoints that are slightly different than mine, as long as we can come to common ground to beat the wingnuts at the polling place. If we are to really succeed as a party, we have to be able to embrace all members of our party. The Republicans lost in 2006; the Democrats have to win in 2008. There's a subtle difference.
"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi
speaking for myself
I am not ashamed of who I am or what I believe. I was ashamed of how I responded. I simply do not want to respond with ugly to ugly.
I am liberal, and am tired of having to use "progressive" as a code-word to identify myself.
"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi
Liberal and Proud
Sounds, good, doesn't it?
Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.
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Vote Democratic, the ass you save may be your own.
Indeed it does.
Sounds very good.
"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi
It's weird
I've never thought of myself as a liberal - though I most certainly am. I think I've used the word most often on surveys where that's the alternative choice to being a lunatic reactionary.
Do good. Be nice. Have fun.
But I kinda like lunatic reactionary too
sometimes I even qualify!
It gives me warm fuzzies to think about reclaiming the word liberal from the right.
Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.
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Vote Democratic, the ass you save may be your own.
Liberal
My announcement that I considered myself a liberal was my very first blog on BlueNC. Yep, I am and proud of it.
Lovex7
let's start something
I've got the following from JFK printed out, landscape, in the biggest letters that would fit on 8.5 x 11 paper, and hanging in a non-conspicuous place in my office. Put one up in your office or in your house somewhere.
Actually, this would be great for a blueNC mug & t-shirt 2.0 thing, wouldn't it?
"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."
Now watch what you say Or
Now watch what you say
Or they´ll be calling you a radical
A liberal, oh fanatical, criminal
Oh won´t you sign up your name
We´d like to feel you´re
Acceptable, respectable, oh presentable, a vegetable!
Most Catholics
don't even follow Catholicism's "rules." They use contraception. Their priests have sex, if not with consenting adults, then with the unconsenting.
Former Boston Cardinal Law covered up for molesters and then got promoted to the Vatican. Everyone knows this is wrong.
If practicing Catholics don't follow the rules set out by their own leadership, why does anyone else care what their leaders think?
“All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players.” So enjoy the drama.
Once again....
I don't see the big deal. Bloggers throw bombs, and if they throw bombs then they better be ready to deal with the consequences. I'm sure James has sat back and considered that fact.
I'm all for standing up to the right-wing for God's sake, so by all means, don't fire them. But, it leads to an interesting debate about who do you hire to do your blogging? Most of us have lobbed a few, so does that put us all out of circulation?
If I were Dems, I would be locking and loading in unison to this crap. I would come out TOGETHER and say that blogging isn't for the light of heart, that it is the modern day beer hall and tea-toddlers need not apply.
Having said that, you go around cursing religions and you just might get fired for it. The fault really lays with those members of the Edwards staff that didn't point the "bombs" out before they were hired. Knowledge is power.
p.s. George Bush is a reform(ing)ed, drunken, coke head, but the right is arguing about what a couple young ladies have to say on a blog?
Where are the candidates?
Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me
didnt you hear
"those are all dirty rumors started by the left that is obsessed with personal attacks
ps- all democrats are traitors. its true, i talked to every one and they hate america."
with love,
rush, ann and friends
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"Keep the Faith"
I like the freedom of being independent
from campaigns. I can try things they wouldn't dare. They don't have to answer for me.
I'm really surprised if it turns out that these two (amazing and wonderful) women thought they could work for a campaign and not have to answer for their views and language. How could they (or the campaign) not have figured this (or something like it) was coming?
“All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players.” So enjoy the drama.
It's the difference between hiring...
Blue South and Anglico. In one case you can be pretty sure some "things" are going to come out that he has said with which you'll have to deal.
Where are the candidates?
Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me
Anglico, controversial?
Surely you jest. 8-)
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And really, all snark aside,
that is the whole point. Is Anglico controversial? His ideas, no. His method, sure. WE don't find it controversial because that is just the way things work, but if he tried to write that way for the Chapel Hill news, or the N&O, or talk that way on Hardball - it would get him in trouble. That is the unfortunate thing about this whole blogger fiasco, two people with good points throw a couple bombs and suddenly they aren't "acceptable". This is the way they will try and counter the blogger advantage. Oppo research on bloggers.
Where are the candidates?
Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me
outed versus not
that makes a difference too. a lot of people on here know who i am, but a lot dont. that is a big difference between me and anglico, especially in terms of "past comments".
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"Keep the Faith"
I assumed you were a professional rassler
Where are the candidates?
Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me
laughing so hard I'm crying
sooooo funny
Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.
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Vote Democratic, the ass you save may be your own.
Screw 'em
And by "them" I mean the right wing noise machine and Herr Donohue.
Edwards says he's running on principle and he's not going to hedge and bob and weave in response to the lunatic fringe. If he can't figure out how to manage this conflict without axing a couple of good people who could really catalyze his online community, then he can't figure out how to be president.
I find every aspect of political correctness offensive - and the rapid rise of the blogosphere is no doubt a reaction to all things PC. And since when did religions get a free pass from criticism? The Catholic church has done some great stuff, but it ain't perfect. Does pointing that out 'taint' someone for life from working on campaigns?
We are not the right wing. We not only allow people to think, we embrace their ideas and their diversity.
And by the way, Mr. Donohue, the assholes in the White House say fuck all the time. You're nothing but a goddamned hypocrite.
Do good. Be nice. Have fun.
Ho-lee shit
Donohue's not just an idiot, he's also a freakin' criminal who is violating the IRS code.
Do good. Be nice. Have fun.
Edwards responds`
pretty close to perfect in my opinion. Nice job.
Do good. Be nice. Have fun.
I just saw that
Very good move. No knee-jerk reactions. They took some time to give thoughtful consideration to the concerns of others and then stood by the rights of their bloggers to express themselves.
Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.
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Vote Democratic, the ass you save may be your own.
wow
looks like mike stark is thrilled with the response.
From the man who brought us both the "Senator Allen, have you ever used the word nigger?" and asking if Allen had spit on his first wife and consequently getting beaten up by allen staffers comes this quote:
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Matt Stoller might want to watch out
then again....he isn't a candidate.
Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.
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Vote Democratic, the ass you save may be your own.
im sure
If he follows his past mode of operation on the edwards campaign he will probably deny that this even occured.
Draft Brad Miller -- NC Sen ActBlue :::Petition
"Keep the Faith"