Confederate flag at old NC Capitol

Confederate flag at old NC Capitol raises ire
AP Story by Michael Biesecker

RALEIGH, N.C. —

A Confederate battle flag hung inside the old North Carolina State Capitol to mark the sesquicentennial of the Civil War is raising concern with civil rights leaders.

The flag was raised inside the House chamber last week as part of an historical display intended to replicate how the antebellum building appeared in 1863...

North Carolina NAACP president Rev. William Barber was shocked Friday when he was shown a photo of the flag by The Associated Press.

"He is right that it has a historical context," Barber said. "But what is that history? The history of racism. The history of lynchings. The history of death. The history of slavery. If you say that shouldn't be offensive, then either you don't know the history, or you are denying the history..."

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=9045927
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I knew we were under GOP occupation in Raleigh, but I did not know they had seriously unfurled the Confederate Battle Flag already!

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As we strive to emulate South Carolina

Look for DAG McCrory to go MIA on the Appalachian Trail while having a good ol' gay affair in Rio.

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C'mon folks

I would be disgusted if our so-called leaders decided to fly the Stars & Bars over our any government building, but this is history, and I don't care how ugly it is, I want my kids and everyone else's to know that history so they can learn from it and help move us forward rather than the backward direction we are currently moving in.

History, like art, should sometimes disturb us.

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"...the question is not whether we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists we will be."

Martin Luther King, Jr., Letter from Birmingham Jail

McCrory, confederate flag, Raleigh capital

I just sent the following email to our governor. I hope you will email him, too.

Sir, it has come to my attention that a confederate flag has been placed on display inside the old capital building, on the same floor as your office. I would like to request that it be removed. It may be a part of North Carolina's past but it is not a part of our future. It is not something that will lure new businesses to NC; one look at that and out of state corporations will decide not to insult their African American employees by moving here. Yes, it is part of history. So is the Nazi flag. And no one wants to see that on prominent display in a public building, either. Please ask the office that arranged for the display to move the flag to a museum and get it out of one of our state's prominent public buildings. Thank you.

Here's a link to his email contact page.

http://www.governor.state.nc.us/contact/email-pat

the Confederate battle flag will be relocated

UPDATE: another story from the AP this evening:

Kim Genardo, the spokeswoman for Gov. Pat McCrory, said the exhibit that includes the Confederate battle flag will be relocated, possibly across the street to the N.C. Museum of History.

The decision was a quick about-face for the McCrory administration, which initially defended the display. Many people see the flag as a potent reminder of racial discrimination and bigotry...

http://news.yahoo.com/confederate-flag-old-nc-capitol-coming-down-234855...

Martha Brock

I have to disagree with those

I have to disagree with those that oppose this historical display at the old capitol building. It is an excellent learning experience for anyone that visits and shouldn't have been removed.

I'm a moderate Democrat.

Learning experience

I wonder why DAG reversed the decision and directed the flag to be moved?

We could also say that having the confederate flag flag fly over the SC state capitol is a learning experience as well ... but I can't guess what people might actually be learning. That the old stars and bars is to be honored and revered? That the confederacy will rise again? That when you lose a war your battle flag becomes a cherished part of history?

Every time I see a confederate flag sticker on a car or truck, I assume the occupant is a racist ass who wishes the south had won the war between the states. Am I wrong?

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Come on James...

you're smarter than this.

I agree with you on flying these old rags over capital buildings and stickers/plates on cars, spot on, but in the context of a historical display, as part of a teaching scenario, I have no problem with it. Hell, that might be the only way some of these young kids today get to learn what that symbol of racist idiocy looks like. The way DAG McCrory and his crew of bought off blind hogs are cutting education and everything else of any real value these days, we gotta find teachable moments wherever we can.

Granted I have not seen an actual photo of the historical display in question as yet, and I don't mean a long side shot that simply shows the flag hanging in a hall. Gimme the full context and I might change my position, but so far it seems like an awful lot of drama over an old worn out rag, and this from a man who had ancestors on both sides of that particular fight, some who even switched sides mid-stream.

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"...the question is not whether we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists we will be."

Martin Luther King, Jr., Letter from Birmingham Jail

Yes James, your assumption

Yes James, your assumption about a confederate battle flag sticker on a vehicle would be wrong in many cases.

Additionally the battle flag in its original use was the flag of the soldiers, not the Confederate government. The correct flags, if one is offended by a flag, would be the 1st National (also known as the Stars and Bars), the 2nd National (also known as the Stainless Banner) and the 3rd National (never had a nickname because it was used very briefly) or the Bonnie Blue (called the Secession Flag).

The abusive use of the Battle flag as a symbol of racist intent is disturbing to say the least, but it is just one of three intents (IMHO)in the modern era. The second is historical interest / Southern pride and the third is commercial exploitation (greed). The first is disgusting, the second is fine, and the third is trashy. Just remember when those Klansmen march or otherwise display the Confederate Battle flag they do the same with Old Glory and the Christian flag. Historical interest and regional pride are not about race at all. That brings us to commercial exploitation. To use the Battle flag on beach towels or stick a stock car in the middle of it etc. is an insult to the memory of all the men that fought and died under that flag.

So if you see a battle flag sticker or flag displayed please don't assume anything, just as you shouldn't assume anything if a person has a turban on or a tattoo or speaks with an accent.

I'm a moderate Democrat.

Sorry. I don't buy it.

I know there is some disagreement among historians on the issue, but having studied this since middle school, I have to conclude that the "battle flag" is a symbol of oppression and racision.

Plus, having gone to a middle school names Jefferson Davis ... where the "battle flag" was the school logo ... and where racism was Job #1 ... I have more than enough personal evidence to support my view.

Thurman ... I don't disagree with you completely, but I'd argue that the flag should have been put in a museum in the first place (where it is now) ... where learning is what the institution is all about. Having a bunch of school kids stroll by a confederate flag in a government building doesn't seem likely to engender anything but a bunch of "Go Rebs!" cries from the crowd.

Could be wrong on this, of course. It wouldn't be the first time.

But most of all ... I like that DAG McCrory caved on the issue in record time.

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― Joe Biden

The problem with the

The problem with the Confederate Battle flag is that it means different things to different people. James, you and I are good examples of this. The major point I am trying to make is that we should never judge people based on stereotypes. Assuming that someone with a battle flag sticker on their rear window is a racist is a mistake. (IMHO)

I'm a moderate Democrat.

It might be a mistake,

but the odds lean heavily in the favor of racism.

People adorn their vehicles with various symbols in order to tell other people the things they like or believe in. Now, there may be a small percentage of flag-sticker-people who are simply history buffs, or think it's a good way to show their contempt for the Federal government. But even those people (or most of them, anyway) are aware that African-Americans find it offensive. And intentionally offending someone of another race is pretty much racism, no matter how you slice it.

It saddens me that you feel

It saddens me that you feel this way. I really think this point of view is narrow minded and uninformed. While I don't display any flags on my vehicles I know some that do. To describe them as racists would be unfair and incorrect.

I'm a moderate Democrat.

Well, there's one way to find out

The next time you happen to be talking to one of them, ask them what message they're trying to send by displaying the flag. And I didn't just say that to be argumentative, I'm genuinely curious.

I don't have to ask them.

I don't have to ask them. They are friends. I know what kind of people they are. Sometimes we do have discussions about things like Gettysburg, the causes of the war, our ancestors that fought in the war etc.

Of course there are others that might have a decal on their vehicle and they might intend it to be a racist symbol. But more often than not I find that racists don't advertise their intents like that too often.

Other times it might be something like the Dixie Deer Classic, NASCAR or Lynard Synard that they are advertising. The whole exploitation for commercial purposes. This is more tacky and disrespectful than anything else in my view, certainly not racist.

I do realize that my observations, conclusions and opinions regarding the Battle Flag aren't shared by many reading this but I can assure you that I am not being disingenuous.

I'm a moderate Democrat.

I'm of two minds on this

In a strictly historical context, the flag is not out of place. In a museum, or a Civil War reenactment, or even a former seat of government.

But if it was on the wall when our (current) General Assembly convened there the other day, I have a problem with that. The two should not be in the same vicinity.