Elizabeth Edwards: Live Chatting at 8 am this morning.

Stick around for a live-chat with Elizabeth Edwards this morning from 8 am until 9:30-ish.

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I have a question:

For Ms. Edwards:

I'm sure you're a kind and gentle person, but have you ever wanted to just smack the crap out of George Bush like Jim Webb apparently wanted to do recently? I sure have.

Great, just great!

now I have to clean coffee off of my monitor!

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

The way he dismissed . . .

Cindy Sheehan made me angry. The half laugh when he joked about the Texas woman on death row who had found religion. I don't want to smack him. I just want him not to be my President.

I think you will find nearly unanimous support of that....

everywhere.

Welcome.

I think one of the questions that will probably pop up here before long is what your priorities as First Lady would be.

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Severak things

Too many things are pressing, so my list is long:
1. After school programs to supplement our public schools. We started one in Raleigh and I have seen firsthand what a difference they can make in the lives of young people.
2. The conditions in which our military families live. I grew up in a Navy family. We should do a lot better by those who make that sacrifice.
3. Election reform, ending black box voting, cleaning up campaigning and campaign financing.
Etc. etc. etc. as the King said in the King and I/

My father in law

sat on a panel with your husband, or is about to, concerning school success. He is also funded by the military to create programs to help families stay together. His name is Gary Bowen, and he's a Kenan Professor of Social Work at UNC.

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Ah ...

This is why you'd be such a great First Lady. Even keeled, clear, and focused on what matters most.

Thanks for showing up this morning!

A

PS I had the pleasure of sitting next to you when you and John hosted local bloggers for a wide-ranging discussion over dinner in Chapel Hill. My name is James.

"Listen to the mothers"

Your letter about Cindy Sheehan was very moving.

With Iraq now in a full blown civil war, it seems we should be acting faster to pull out our troops, to help deescalate the situation.

Do you think there is a chance of that happening within six months, now that we have control of both Houses?

Great to see you hear on BlueNC, Mrs. Edwards!

Amy Goodale

Unfortunately

even with both houses of Congress, the administration of the war is still largely in the hands of the President. All Congress can really do is investigate abuses and stop funding. The first will happen, the second will, in my opinion, not happen.

It is good to be here, Amy.

One of my biggest fears...

is that the killing will go on, and on and on...

And then, come the 08 election, voters will blame the Democrats for not doing anything to stop the madness.

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Troops' mothers suffer seeing the failure in Iraq

I'm on a break at work-can't stay long, but I just talked to a mother of an Army reservist here at work who said that the 15 months her son served in Baghdad were, for her, the longest and most painful 15 months she'd ever had to live through. He came back home to her, but I think of the mothers whose sons and daughters did not come home alive or uninjured. I spoke to Cindy Sheehan last spring and she told me she was fond of you,Mrs. Edwards, and that she felt close to you because of a common bond relating to Casey and Wade.

About your CBS commentary...

Have you read The Health of Nations: Why Inequality is Harmful to Your Health by Ichiro Kawachi and Bruce P. Kennedy.

Things you said in your CBS commentary reminded me of this book, which is one of the best books I've read on public policy in the last couple years.

I haven't but

the title in intriguing. Looks like a good book for John for Christmas (and then I can borrow it). Thanks for the tip.
BTW, are you AP on Democratic Underground, too?

I'm that AP.

Thanks for remembering!

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Depleted Uranium

after listening to Doug Rokke speaking about the
health effects of
depleted uranium on Alex Jones radio show this
afternoon Id like to have word with George too. According to recent research by Joesph Stiglitz and LindaBilmes,
caring for wounded soldiers from this illegal and immoral occupation of Iraq will cost the taxpayers 127 billion.

Elizabeth, you are always so cool and calm

how did you keep your composure after the debate John had with Cheney where he lied about meeting John before that debate?

PS If anyone deserved a good "smacking"....

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

I didn't

I was sitting between Kristin Breitweiser (a bright and courageous and beautiful 9/11 widow) and our daughter Cate when Cheney said he had never met John. I had sat for 2 hours next to Lynn Cheney -- 2 hours! Next to Lynn Cheney! -- at the National Prayer Breakfast when John was chairing it. And John was sitting that whole time next to Cheney. When Cheney said that in the debate, I turned to Cate and Kristin and said I cannot believe he lied. And when the debate was over I went to the stage and confronted him. His response? A small smile and an Oh, yes.

Evil

Raising kids, then and now.

I'm wondering if you have any thoughts about whether parents are more protective of their children these days and if you think it is healthy?

Many of us have young children and I think we're all shocked to find out how paranoid the world is about kids these days, yet MOST of us tend to fall in line and be just as paranoid.

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

I know I worry too much

but the worrying has changed. I worried about my children being hurt or abused or -- in my worst nightmares -- dying. And then, oddly, after our oldest child died, I had to appreciate the folly of that worry: we cannot protect them from every harm that might come their way. We can only do what we can do. So I do -- I ask if there is a gun in the home of children with whom my children have playdates, I own about 4 times the number of car seats I need, and I try to instill in them a sense of reasonable fear about dangers. But I cannot stop the wind, and I quit worrying that I needed to. But I do worry about the world in which they will live. I worry about that all the time.

What is that prayer...

here it is. Like someone here's Ghandi sig "Be the change that you want to see in the world", I think this poem reflects a great GOAL in life.

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

Living one day at a time;
enjoying one moment at a time;
accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
taking, as He did, this sinful world
as it is, not as I would have it;
trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His Will;
that I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with Him
forever in the next.
Amen.

Reinhold Niebuhr (1892-1971)

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

This morning

I delivered the children to school. The car in front of ours is the most aggressive pro-Bush supporter at the school: several bumper stickers on her van and buttons on her shirt. I used to pick up at the same time she did and she was always sporting a new button -- for me, I assume, since it was now fall of 2005. I had gotten off her schedule and hadn't seen her or her van in a while, but this morning there she was -- with a new bumper sticker: Not Fonda Kerry. I assume that that addition -- made in 2006! -- was also for my benefit. It struck me not as offensive but as pathetic.

Wow!

That is pathetic. She better watch out in Chapel Hill or she's likely to get a Venti Carmel Macchiato in her gas tank.

I worked the polls at the Dogwood Acres precinct this year handing out voter guides and the few, VERY FEW Republicans that came in were none too happy to see us. I saw a friend of my wife getting her kids out of the car to vote. It was raining so I went over to help her with my umbrella and walk her to the "line", at which point I asked if she wanted a Democratic Party voter guide. She took it but looked like she was sucking on a lemon. Later my wife reminded me that SHE was the one I was never supposed to discuss politics with at the "Mom's Club" dinners. Oops.

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

I don't mind

people expressing their opinions -- even ones with which I disagree. But the fact that she was adding anti-Kerry bumper stickers 2 years after the election struck me as pathetic.

Spoken like a true Progressive.

you'll never hear words like that at a Bush rally. Of course, since we are all registered dems, we're not likely to be allowed INTO a Bush rally.

Do they have Bush rallies any more?

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Well, of course they still have rallies for Bush, you silly boy!

You can attend if your IQ is below 80, you can contribute big bucks, and you promise to fawn and drool as Bush struts by.

Stan Bozarth

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Only

in undisclosed locations. heh.

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

Or "town hall" meetings where

you have to swear allegiance to the King....er...President to get in.

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

How anyone could actually be proud to be a Bush supporter

simply boggles my mind. My bumper sticker says

I wish you hadn't voted for Bush. - God

It's a fine line

at times to demonstrate your back-bone AND to have 7 - layers of skin so that something like that can be perceived as pathetic, and not offensive. I respect you for that, Mrs. Edwards. I had an anthropology/religion teacher at university who shared that when one explores the context of the time when Jesus lived, the concept of "turn the other cheek" was a radical demonstration of empowerment. To be struck on the cheek, and then to offer up the other cheek, is to say -- "Is that all you got, 'cause it's gonna take a LOT more than that to take ME down." You've probably already heard that because you're brilliant -- but it's just a little tid-bit that helps me survive as a Progressive Social Worker in Republican - country, i.e. KANSAS.

Welcome Elizabeth

My name is Linda Cockman, my husband David grew up in Robbins and went to school with John. One continuing problem is the people from Robbins don't seem to be big supporters of John, because they felt like he didn't bring home any "pork" for the town. I'm against pork and K street in it's current form, but what, if anything, can be done to change this view?

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

Robbins

Hello, Linda. John actually did some things for Robbins -- a water treatment system I think was on the list of North Carolina projects that I thought had passed. And, whether Robbins knows it or not, he has -- in his private life -- tried to draw investment to Robbins. For those of you who do not know Robbins, it is a small town in Moore County that used to have a textile mill, where John's father worked, a chicken plant, now closed, and a manufactured home factory, also closed. There are still some jobs in the area, but it is precisely the kind of town that has been in crisis with job loss. The town is now 50% Hispanic -- the largest percentage in the state -- and unemployment, underemployment and the rapidity of change there has caused a lot of problems. By the way, the Children's Room at the largely privately funded public library was a gift by John in honor of his parents.

Thank you so much for your answer

I didn't know that and I'm sure no one I know was aware of this either. I hope that John is more vocal about these things because many of his critics are very vocal and try to continue the "Edwards did nothing for his hometown" lie.

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

Hi Elizabeth!

It's Nan from Wilmington. I'm on my way out the door to go to my folk's house for the day but wanted to say hello. I enjoyed meeting you at Quail Ridge and very much enjoyed your book. Bye!

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Greetings Mrs. Edwards, and a Question about your mom

Good Morning, Mrs. Edwards. I am new here, but heard you were blogging this morning. First, I wanted to say thank you for what you said in your autograph of my book last month that my friend Jackie brought to the West Des Moines(even my mom was touched), second to say I enjoyed reading your book, and I love the transparency.

Mrs. Edwards, I heard some where that your mother was a librarian. As you may know, I am a librarian in academic setting, helping students and faculty do research about business. What I would like to know is what kind of librarianship--school, special, etc did she practice since I didn't see it (may have missed it in reading)in your book and how her profession may have influenced you as an adult.

Thank you, and hope your health continues to improve. Benny

JohnEdwards.com

Good to see you here

And everywhere I go!
My mom got a master's degree in library science in 1972 at UNC and my father was transferred to NATO in Italy. She didn't work there, but when he retired and came back to DC, she was the librarian for a nonprofit, the Electronics Industry Foundation -- what we used to call all high tech jobs. The foundation placed the handicapped workers in technology jobs. She did that work for about 4 years before she retired to NC.

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Thank you

I had heard it might be in special librarianship. How appropriate that it was high tech.

And yes, while I don't get to see you in person very much, I do try to say hello on the Net where I can. Blessings to you and JRE and for sharing yourselves with us!

JohnEdwards.com

You've mentioned the war several times above...

In 2004, in Oklahoma City, I gave Senator Edwards a translated copy of Carl Von Clausewitz's book (first published in 1834) ON WAR . I begged Senator Edwards to read just the first two chapters...so that he could think about and articulate what it takes to win a war and why Bush was failing. I suspect the book disappeared into the netherlands. I will ask again...please for all of our sakes...and for the sake of what I hope will be a successful campaign in 2008.

Stan Bozarth

He read it

I remember his reading it -- although, unfortunately, I don't remember having any conversations with him about it, so that is all I can tell you.
And the book -- all our books in fact -- are finally in one place in our new home.

Thank you...

n/t

Stan Bozarth

Do you have any intuition, insight or inside information

about whether Liddy Dole will run again for Senate?

We're anxious about which Democrats will step up to compete for that seat. I suggested you, but lots of people quickly agreed you might just be a tad busy for that.

:)

Any chance you'd ever run for any public office?

She doesn't seem to love the job

but maybe I am wrong. I was the first person I know to saw Jesse wouldn't run again. I said it after he had his headstone put up at Oakwood Cemetery in Raleigh where he will be buried. No one, I figured, who was thinking about headstones was also thinking about another political campaign. As for Liddy Dole, I never understood why she wanted to be a Senator, and since she has been one -- and one now in the minority, she may start wondering that, too. We have a lot of good potential candidates on the Democratic side, but I am not one of them.

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Elizabeth, who inspired you when you were young,

and who inspires you now? Why? What do they do that motivates and drives you now?

Have you ever given consideration to public service/public office yourself?

Thank you for sharing this time with us. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm feeling a little star struck. :)

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

Not your regular heroes

I am not inspired particularly by people in the public eye. The hardest work is done by those who work in the trenches -- in hospitals and assisted living centers -- by families who care day after day for family members who need their constant help. One woman who inspired me is a dance teacher I had in Japan. I talked about her in my book. She had trained to be a geisha -- an honorable profession -- for many years and after her training she went home before moving to Tokyo. Unfortunately home was Hiroshima and she was there when the bomb was dropped. Her chest was blown off. She was no longer perfect and therefore could not be a geisha. And so, with great sadness and great dignity, she readjusted her life's expectations -- even to the point of teaching the skills she had learned to young American girls, the daughters of pilots not unlike the ones who had dropped the bomb that shattered her life. That kind of serenity and grace is inspirational.

Deacon Jones

I still remember hearing Deacon Jones, the football player, talking about role models and saying something along the lines of "If your kids have to look past the coffee table to find a role model, well, there's something wrong with that."

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

I think I'll steal that

crediting Deacon Jones of course. That is great.

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Beautiful

Finding the greatest inspiration in the dignity, serenity and grace of regular people says so much about who you are. :) Thank you, Mrs. Edwards. You would make an amazing First Lady.

I think a book buying excursion to Quail Ridge is in my near future. Have to wait for payday Friday. I can never leave with just one book. :}

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

Elizabeth will be at Fearrington Village Thur pm

Leslie, if you are able to make the book signing, Thur @ 7 pm at Fearrington Village, I'll see you there!

BTW, I still want to get together to talk about our OneCorps groups, I've just been busy with the holiday. We had family in town.

since I missed the actual book signing in Raleigh

after the event, I might have to run out to Fearrington if I can get the kids to bed in time.

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

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Hi Amy! This Thursday ...

I think I can make that. :) It would be a perfect opportunity to talk about OneCorps groups.

Family and holidays are so wonderful! My problem is my total lack of discipline in pulling myself away from the Internets. My daughter says i need a 12 step program. I'm beginning to wonder. ;)

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

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3 step program

Control + Alt + Delete (I see those mac smirks)

And no, don't click Restart

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LOL

A cure? I din want a cure. I wanted you to tell me i din have a problem.

yikes.

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

Excellent, Leslie and Robert!

I hope to see you both there. At least one other OAC blogger will be there too, so you'll be able to meet him. (I'm going to give him the BlueNC link and ask him to sign up here too).

I know what you mean about the blogging! LOL.

For more info on the event: Fearrington Village Calendar

Southern Dem Question

One of our main bloggers, Southern Dem, has report-card day at her kid's school today and had to leave. She asked me to pass the following along.

At Converge South you mentioned that you were a long-time email listserve user and believer in the internet community. What advice would you have for the online community so that we aren't torn apart by the next election. - my words BTW.

I'll add that Chris Bowers recently raised this concern:

Will the progressive movement see its influence suffer without a standard bearer in 2008?
The 2003-4 Dean campaign remains the defining moment for the blogosphere, the netroots and the contemporary progressive movement.
...
By way of contrast, at least at this early point, there does appear to be a candidate behind whom even a plurality of the netroots and the progressive movement would support en masse.
...
However, it does not take much to wonder if a divided progressive movement in 2008 will result in a dilution of netroots influence over the primary season.

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

I think the fractionalization is a sign

of the maturation of the medium, -- is fractionalization even a word? -- so I do not fear it. It allows the dialogue to be more provocative. And I also think that there will be some consensus -- although not uniform -- about a small number of candidates with everyone coming together as the number of candidates in the race dwindles.
And I, of course, disagree that there is no single natural netroots potential candidate.

I think you're right about maturation

We're already seeing it happening in our short lifespan here at BlueNC. Some of our high-flying rhetoric has been toned down and serious people are participating with incredible thoughtfulness. We even had a candidate for Lt. Gov. show up this week to get in on the netroots ground floor.

It's wonderful that you are so deeply involved in online communities. Gives me hope on many fronts, actually.

Thanks for all you do.

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GGod morninng, Elizabeth

Sorry I'm late. I was having trouble getting my computer to agree to be with us. ;-)

I just learned yesterday that a photo that I had made with John in Columbia will be in the Charlotte Observer, Union SEction but I don't know which day this week

Great event

in Columbia I heard. I will look for your photo.

Hello Elizabeth!

I'm a transplanted, dreaded Northerner and took an immediate liking to John as a candidate because he seemed so genuine, and then after reading Four Trials I knew his heart was in the right place. And while I would love for John to be my president, I would love it equally so if you were my president. One can dream, right? :)

I am in the middle of Saving Graces and having come to the part about your son's death I could not go on. I have four children ranging from 25 to 16 and my heart just refuses to even go there. I do understand that after losing your child, being through the worst, breast cancer didn't seem so frightening.

I guess my biggest question would be this: why would anyone these days put themselves and their family through the stress of a presidential campaign only to inherit the seemingly insurmountable problems of the Bush years? I'd be tempted to take a pass until 2012!

The worst

The part of the book about our son's death is the rawest writing I have ever done and that makes it hard to read, I know. But there was no point in writing the book if I wasn't going to be honest about these experiences. But remember, after Wade's death, we chose to have more children, to take that chance again, because after all is said and done if I had to choose between the having the boy AND the pain or having neither, I choose the boy and the pain everytime.

As for 2008, the thing we have to remember is that someone will be President in January 2009. If things are so bad -- and I think you and I agree they are -- then the person we elect is unbelievably important to your family and mine. IIf we get it wrong, then the sacrifices that we all will make are going to be enormous.

This is why I think a real UNITER

is so critical. Some potential candidates will inevitably be polarizing figures. HRC, for example, strikes me as someone who's very presence will tear at our social fabric.

On the other hand, you're married to someone who has the potential to truly bring people together. America needs to find its common ground right now more than ever.

Well said, Anglico

Let the healing begin.

Young Families

Elizabeth,
A bit of a follow-up on Robert's question. You're someone who has gone around the block twice as a mother in a family with young kids. Though the second time around you don't have much of a financial problem, I wonder what your ideas are about how the community can help young families. It's a really difficult stage in life financially and time-wise and we're doing a great service for the community (but before we really reach our peek earning time in our 40s and 50s).

It seems that our country talks a lot about family values, but then sort of sets young families with parents still starting their careers adrift. We, especially we Democrats, support many great programs that help seniors (many of who are doing extremely well), but next to nothing for young families.

I'm thinking of something similar to

1. Optional, but largely free Public PreSchool with Quality Teachers
I know they have a really successful program in Oklahoma.
http://www.sde.state.ok.us/pro/prek/default.html
http://www.initiativesforchildren.org/public/priorities.html

2. Expand Medical Family Leave Act to 3-6 months paid leave for mothers and two weeks for fathers.

3. Healthcare for All Kids

4. Better savings programs for college.

and others, I know there is a group out there promoting this "Mother's Agenda" (though it's really for mothers, fathers and kids in young families).

I just think that not only is it the right thing to do, but that it might also encourage young mothers and fathers to get in the habit of thinking about community and voting Democratic.

Just a note, I'm in my mid-30s and have two girls, 6 (first grade) and 3 (preschool), and though we have two good incomes (lawyer at big law firm iand professor at small college) we still have financial issues that we can't see getting clear of for at least another 3-5 years (when we'll be in our 40s).

Democrats are the party of those who are working, those who have finished working, and those who want to work. -- Elizabeth Edwards

Democrats are the party of those who are working, those who have finished working, and those who want to work. -- Elizabeth Edwards

These and more

All of these ideas are things that -- in one form or another -- John has embraced. I don't know where you can get his policy book from the 2004 primaries online but if you could, I think you would be pleased. But he thinks we can do even better than that . . . without tipping his hand on any particular policies.

Universal Health Care

tip, tip, tip!!!

Single payer?

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

I'll look forward to the new proposals

I'm pretty familiar with Real Solutions (it's still on the harddrive), I guess I was thinking more of how much emphasis would be placed on these issues, how they would be framed as part of a "young family agenda."

I just think there is an audience out there ready to hear this stuff -- folks stressed out by juggling jobs, carpools, kid activities, getting a dinner on the table, etc. And I think it links the idea that the middle-class is experiencing problems similar to those of the working-poor (a way to link the anti-poverty and community service message back to a revived Two Americas theme).

Democrats are the party of those who are working, those who have finished working, and those who want to work. -- Elizabeth Edwards

Democrats are the party of those who are working, those who have finished working, and those who want to work. -- Elizabeth Edwards

Ooops!

And thanks for coming by and answering so many questions.

PS: Loved the book; great message (very Stoic in fact, "I can't fight the wind" -- pnly wish that secret meeting with Howard had resulted in a drop-out and endorsement before Wisconsin, oh the possibilities are killing me!

Democrats are the party of those who are working, those who have finished working, and those who want to work. -- Elizabeth Edwards

Democrats are the party of those who are working, those who have finished working, and those who want to work. -- Elizabeth Edwards

Talk about connecting!

Your story and the story of my own family is so similar, we could be sitting at the same kitchen table! I can completely connect to your experience, as it is my own. I am grateful that we have a time in sight when we will be able to "get ahead" -- barring crises. I will say though, that we pay the same amount each month to pay off our college loans as we do for our mortgage. Education is priceless, but we are reminded each month of how much must be sacrificed.

So true!

I think there are lots of us out there -- I know most of my neighbors are in a similar boat. My wife just paid off her law school loans last year ($1000 a month for 10 years, unbelievable; luckily our parents could afford undergrad tuition and my grad school was paid with TAships and grants). But the ammount we have paid in the past for preschool was incredible (of course, we chose to go high-quality, Montessori), only now that we've got one in public schools and another headed there in 2 years can we see that price-tag going way down (just in time for braces, sports, arts!).

Thanks for sharing.

And BlueNC, as usual, thanks for allowing this Michigander to stop by (though my snow bird folks are now in New Bern).

Democrats are the party of those who are working, those who have finished working, and those who want to work. -- Elizabeth Edwards

Democrats are the party of those who are working, those who have finished working, and those who want to work. -- Elizabeth Edwards

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So right, mkj

Education is priceless.

And higher education is necessary in today's job market. One difference between us and our parents' generation, I think, is that back in their day, a free public high school education was the gateway to a good solid middle-class life. Not frilly, but solid.

These days, a bachelors degree or an associates degree serves as that gateway, and neither is free. People take on enormous debt to obtain that basic tool. Many, if not most, do it because they have to if they ever hope to support themselves.

The disturbing thing is, the cost of those post high school degrees just keeps climbing -- faster than parent salaries -- faster than inflation, and it's driving an entire generation of middle-class people into deep debt before they even get their first real job. That's great for financial lending institutions, but not so great for anybody else.

Nonetheless, the gov'mint haters are not detered. They keep pushing back on public (tax payer) support for public (free) education and our public (as close to free as practicable) university systems. It's an, "I got mine. Go get yer own." free-market true-believer world out there.

Somehow, we have to change those attitudes.

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

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One America Committee

Having reviewed the websites of "potential" 2008 Presidential candidates: Edwards, Clinton, Obama, Giuliani and, McCain it would appear that OneAmericaCommittee is way out ahead in terms of information, action and community. In some ways there may even be too much going on. Can you talk about your role in the OAC marketplace of ideas?

OAC

is really a community that is run by the participants, which makes us very proud. All we have done is create as many opportunities as we can to allw the conversation to take place -- with our involvement, in blogging, in podcases and video-blogging, whatever, and without our direct involvement. We don't know --a as we embrace a new format whether it will work for the exchange of ideas and the formation of communities that will eventually be communities of action not just interaction, so as we find a new format, we put it out there, see how the community accepts and uses it and that allows us to refine as we grow.

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Sounds like Edison's lab

All the tools and materials at hand ready for new discoveries.

Reactionary Social Policy and Foreign Policy

I wondered if you would speak on your thoughts about the shift in this country to "reactionary policy" -- meaning that policy action is carried out when the "problem" is boiling over. In the meantime, many people suffer extreme hardship - even death. I see it in both the mindset and behaviors of our leadership, but also in the mindset of many citizens -- although certainly not all. If you would agree that this phenomenon of policy/mindset exists, how would you recommend addressing it. If you don't agree, will you speak describe your point of view related to this?

Thank you for your time and attention. I am really enjoying your book.

Human nature

is the culprit. Think of this: there is an intersection in Garner where a large number of young people had been in car accidents -- maybe it was near the high school, I forget exactly where. But it took a string of actual deaths to get a traffic light at the intersection. It is the problem with getting the momentum we need on our environmental policy: "oh, we will run out of fossil fuels in 200 years? Well, I won't be around." It is why prevention and screening, which health insurance companies ought to be clamoring for, but instead resist, despite the fact that the short-term costs will be more than made up in long term savings -- and that doesn't even take into account the improved quality of life. We need visionary leaders who can see the problems ahead and can motivate people to act contrary to their nature.
And thanks for reading the book.

Experience shapes our behaviors

Thank you for your response. I am grateful.

I hope that our culture can make meaning of the hardship we are experiencing to change our behaviors. I think of how the depression shaped my grandmother, who was a mother in South Carolina, raising 4 children under the age of 7 while her husband and her brother were drafted ito the Korean War. She worked three jobs, one of which was in a textile mill, while her husband and brother were detained as Prisoners of War. Of course, I knew her as "Nanny" and she was larger than life to me. I can still remember walking into my grandmother's pantry, looking at ALL of those canned goods and thinking -- "when does she think she will ever eat all of this?" Now I get it, it wasn't really about the food. I mean the food wasn't even really for her, it was to provide for all those she loved. It was a symbolic and concrete behavior that she could do to feel more secure knowing that when crises arose, she would not go hungry -- and neither would her family.

Speaking of hungry -- I was dismayed by the recent change in language by current administration which changed the classification of the 10-25 million people in our country who are without food from "hungry" to "low food security." This is so far from reality, it appears delusional.

Low food security?

Now that is exactly what is wrong with government. Don't change the policies, change the nomenclature and the problem disappears -- or at least people cannot find it . . . for whom among us would look for numbers on the unfed by searching for "low food security"? Geez.

We've had a lively discussion

about the term "Universal Health Care."

Some feel it has too much baggage and should be shifted to "Health Security" or something else. Others say we should call it like we see it.

What feedback are you and John getting about this, if any?

Greetings Elizabeth

Thanks Robert for raising my question. I was able to make it back for a few minutes.

Elizabeth, we're building a wonderful community here. In many ways we are a family and share many goals and dreams for our state and nation. However, we are still young. My fear is that we could alienate other BlueNC members or potential members if those of us on the front page strongly back any one candidate in a primary election. I value this community and its future far more than I do my desire to back a certain candidate. On the other hand, I certainly want to come out openly for my choice. Any suggestions for balancing this?



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That is a sensitive response

And I do think that the voices associated with the administering the site have to be cautious in that regard. Markos probably wishes he had been a little more cautious. But there are a number of ways to do it, it seems to be. A candidate a day, for example, where on a particular day someone says why they want Robert or on another day why they want Laura or on a third why Amy -- using your names as examples. Polls with rationale for your votes is another way that allows people to see that all their opinions and preferences have a place, which is all you need to accomplish in order not to disrespect other voices.

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sensitive response

Thanks for writing that. Now I only need to cut and paste for our internal debates.

:)

Thank you, Elizabeth

I don't mind if others take a strong stand, but I appreciate your suggestions and will do my best to make sure all candidates and their supporters feel they have a chance to be heard here. I think we handled this well in the past, but we were so new it was probably accidental. I think we need to make a conscious effort going forward.

Thank you again.

Betsy



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That is the progressive way!

To lift every voice and be inclusive. I think allowing bloggers, even those who are admins, to freely express their support for their candidate, will only enhance the process that we engage in here.

As to Robert's remark about keeping things focused on the state level, I think the same solution Elizabeth suggested applies. Allow bloggers to express themselves on which candidates they are focusing on supporting, giving fair time to each.

There will be many of us who choose to primarily focus on the presidential candidate, knowing that a Dem at the top of the ticket, helps to draw out the voters for all Democrats on the ticket. And of course, there is always some crossover with our efforts as far as candidates, whether or not there is an official coordinated campaign or not.

Good question, SouthernDem!

I think too

that many of us have, well ME, have voiced a desire to focus on keeping NC Blue at the state level. I would imagine that while we fire things up occasionally for the Presidential Primary, that we will also have a cadre of good Progressives to back here in NC.

Please, please, let us have a good group of Progressive Dems to back at the state level.

Great question SD.

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Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Of course, Presidential politics

have a huge impact on NC and will be local, right, Robert?

I think in the past we've kept non-NC stuff off the front page for the most part. I do agree that front page should be NC stuff unless its an issue the community promotes.

Really, nice way to start the morning. Thanks for taking the initiative to invite Elizabeth to BlueNC.



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And...

I think once the primaries are over, we'll all rally behind the candidate and push for organizing and vote turnout throughout the country. So, we really just need to control the message until after the candidate is selected, then we can go bangers.

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Wow RobertP....how did you swing that?

Elizabeth Edwards live blogging at BlueNC, what a gift!

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

How?

"Uhmmmm {wipe sweaty palms off}, Hi, errrr, wanna blog on BlueNC?"

"Sure, let me know when."

Let's just say it wasn't a hard sell and y'all are lucky for that.

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

LOL

You rock, Robert!

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Elizabeth, Thank You

for taking the time to come by and chat with us. No response necessary.

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Lance

I have always thought our state motto (or is it the slogan ;-) was so cool. Glad to see you sporting it. We should send Bush a copy of it but he'd try to read it upside down.

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I have a question

Elizabeth. For a long time I have seen a lot of parallels between Sen. Edwards and the late Robert F. Kennedy. Now that the movie is out, many are making that comparison. Sen. Kennedy was compassionate, intelligent, very much in tune with those less fortunate, and even the 'hair' and the fact that both were/are attorneys is interesting. I think you probably remember Sen. Kennedy during his lifetime. Do you see those parallels beteween Sen. R F Kennedy and Sen. Edwards? Is that a good comparison?

You read my mind,

CarolinaGirl. Thanks for asking this question!

Robin Hayes Hates Puppies

John has long admired Bobby Kennedy

And there are parallels -- their emphasis on social justice and poverty are the most obvious, but also the parallel about Vietnam and Iraq, and the courgae of each of them to admit their mistake. John and Cate went to see the movie over the weekend and, despite lukewarm reviews, they both enjoyed it. John was really moved, I could tell, by the intelligence and warmth of Bobby's speeches. Which, I hope, is also a hallmark of John's speeches, but without as many quotations from classical sources!
By the way, one of the signs in Iowa in 2004 that made me smile was one at a rally for John that read: Bobby Lives.

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CJ Report

He really does have that 'gut-wrenching' compassion that Bobby had. In case you missed it, I did a CJ report about that on both OAC and DK "It was a 'Senator Edwards, we'll see you in the White House' sort of night". Here are the links http://blog.oneamericacommittee.com/story/2006/11/20/231717/85 and http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/21/7310/6657d I am new on DK, but I understand it did quite well. My husband and I actually attended 3 of his public events weekend before last in Charlotte and COlumbia. I have my husband 'fired up' about it now. ;-) Love you Elizabeth. Thanks for being with us.

Social Contract

I believe I have watched the unraveling of our nation's social contract over the last six years. Our social contract is built upon sweat equity, not credit -- and yet our nation borrows against it over and again, with no regard for the damage being done. This damage IS felt by those who are most at risk for being failed by this social contract, with dire consequences.

I feel so very hopeful when I watch you and Senator Edwards fully participating in the "grunt-work" required to sustain our nation's social contract, e.g. Habitat for Humanity, New Orleans clean-up, etc. This is in stark contrast from our current leadership, whose hard work to "clean-up" appears to be limited to the brush on his Texas ranch.

Thank you. Exponential gratitude for all the hard work.

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well said

I believe I have watched the unraveling of our nation's social contract over the last six years.

true true

I feel so very hopeful when I watch you and Senator Edwards fully participating in the "grunt-work" required to sustain our nation's social contract

and Amen.

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

Two Americas

I appreciate your participation in the blog!

Do you think the "Two Americas" theme will be an important one for 2008 or do you see problems with focusing on the increasing inequality in this country?

:)

Side note:

ontherise is one of my dearest friends in the world, and this is her first time ever visiting a blog. She even posted a comment! What a great name, too!

Thanks, sweetie pie. I hope you get addicted.

welcome! Any friend of A's is a friend of ours.

actually, if you are in Chapel Hill you might actually BE a friend of mine. Or, at least someone I've bumped into at Whole Foods.

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Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

I second that!

Hope you come back often.

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

welcome

Thanks for the greetings and warm words!

Welcome back to you.

Two Americas would be the underpinning of a campaign if John decides to run, but the campaign would not simply be a reprise of 2004 -- we know the problem, John identified it and with Katrina, the nation was hit in the face with the truth of it. Now it is time to move forward from that with actual ideas and a commitment to end poverty, to end the diffences in health care, education, to end the imbalances in the tax system, to promote our rural communities with the same vigor we once gave (and need to give again) to our urban communities.

That is precisely why...

That is precisely why, my first choice for a Presidential candidate is John Edwards, someone is not afraid to speak out on our core values as Democrats---ensuring that ALL of us have equal accesss. 47 million without health insurance, 36 million in poverty, a ridiculously low minimum wage, racism continues to run rampid...and where are the Democrats?

Senator Edwards is fighting the good fight--the real Democratic fight even though it's not as polticiallly palatable to some. That's backbone. Senator Edwards is someone whom I want fighting for my children---for all of our children.

we throw out those numbers so often.

but it really is pitiful.

36 million in poverty.

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

It really is. Shameful

And embarrassing. I was talking to a Republican recently, who had no idea that there were 47 million Americans without health insurance in this country. How could he have missed that?!

"It doesn't have to be that way..."

just bringing up the issue

Edwards has had the courage to bring up issues that others won't touch and to be seen with labor!

ontherise

I love your name! And...we are, on the rise. woot.

Yes, many politicians figure, since the working poor don't really vote and can't contribute financially, why bother? Sad.

Do you think that blogs are changing

the face of politics...and do you think that politicians should recognize this change and jump in? I for one have more of a feeling of ownership since I have begun political blogging. I felt that the MSM was not giving me the whole or true picture of politics and when I first found the DNC blog and then BlueNC, I jumped in with both feet.

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

Whole picture

Great work is done on the blogs -- some of the best investigative work - 60 Minutes on the R side, Duke Cunningham on the D side was done by the blogosphere. It does more than provide another source not constrained by advertisers and linear inches; it also puts pressure on the MSM, which has had a mixed record of late.

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I'm Late!

Mrs. Edwards,

Thanks for joining us here and for all the work you do. I would have arrived earlier, but my work as a Child and Family therapist kept me occupied. It's in the professional vein I'll ask
:

What sorts of mental health legislation/initiatives do you feel are most important for the federal govt. to undertake?

Mental health parity

is the place to start. And to include it as part of a universal health care plan.

I know we're going to lose you shortly

so on behalf of all, please accept our deep appreciation for the gift of your time, your listening, and your wisdom. You're the best.

I do have to go. But thank you all for participating.

I hate to leave any questions on the table. I will try to get back later in the day to "clean up" anything I left undone.

Thanks again.

take care thanks so much.

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

"Cleaning up" the undone

Being willing to "clean up" even when it is HARD work is the sign of a great leader, and a great parent. So much symbolism in language. Stay well, and best to your family. Very grateful for your time and thoughts.

And people who won't do that hard work

like the Mess-Maker-in-Chief in the White House, should not be allowed to get away with it.

A

PS Nice comment on the symbolism in language. Welcome.

What a treat to start our day

You have been gracious with your comments and time here. Please come back anytime (now that you are registered) and share your thoughts with us. Hearing from either you or John always gives me hope for our country.

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

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Thanks Robert P and those who administer this site

I felt like I was having coffee with you all and Elizabeth. It's nice to meet you.

JohnEdwards.com

Yes, Benny

We owe much appreciation to Robert who did the thing that matters most: he took action.

y'all come back now, hear?

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

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This was wonderful

worked late (very late) last night so I could stay here this morning. Sleep is for sissies. :) Now i gotta scoot. Duty calls. w00T!

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

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Thanks, Robert

Nice morning.

I'm out for awhile as well. n/t

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

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Wow

As if the article on Jerry's question wasnt big enough I am pretty sure this thread might get us even more attention.

The way that Sen Edwards speaks, and what he speaks about has had me convinced he would make an excellent president for a long time. The embracing that has been done of the online community has me convinced he is doing what needs to be done outside of the normal fundraising and appearances to win. Im excited.

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No Question Here Mrs. Edwards... Just encouagement

to keep going and see this through.

We are standing with you.

John Edwards represents the best hope for America at this time in our existance. I believe he can be nominated.

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