Gen IV nukes: Another piece of the puzzle

In an effort to give us all a break from the "much wailing and gnashing of teeth" associated with pending Federal health care legislation, I decided to work through a subject that has been on my mind recently: That being the much needed, and hopefully soon mandated, drastic reduction of carbon emissions worldwide. As we all know, weaning ourselves from the combustion of coal is not going to be easy or cheap, but the puzzle is coming together, piece by piece.

Before I get into the subject of this diary, I want to talk a little about human behavior, and our tendency toward opposition. We love to choose a side, and then bravely defend that side against all who would (dare) to attack it. While engaged in this conflict, the primary function of education is to probe for the enemy's weaknesses, so we can stand at the summit waving our glorious flag. Unfortunately, by leading our research by the hand instead of the other way around, nobody wins. It may be human nature, but it is a flaw, nonetheless, and one we should take pains to avoid.

Within the nuclear energy debate, this polarization has existed for decades. Instead of examining the subject and discussing it rationally, one side argues that it's perfectly safe, pooh-poohing any concerns that are brought up, while the other side stacks building-blocks of worst-case scenarios until it becomes a teetering structure that can't help but fall. I will readily admit that I have belonged to the latter camp for about as long as I can remember, but I do believe we are on the cusp of a new type of nuke that may bring both sides back together.

At least some of the science behind Generation IV nuclear reactor technology is not new:

During the 1960s, the USA developed the molten salt fast reactor as the primary back-up option for the conventional fast breeder reactor, and a small prototype was operated. Recent work has focused on lithium and beryllium fluoride coolant with dissolved thorium and 233U fuel.

The Molten Salt Reactor (MSR) (as pictured above) is one of six different designs that are under consideration by the Generation IV International Forum (GIF), but most of them share similar characteristics that, for the most part, have solved issues that kept me (and many others) from supporting nuclear energy in the past:

Most of the six systems employ a closed nuclear fuel cycle to maximize the resource base and minimize the amount of high-level wastes needed to be sent to a repository. Three of the six are fast reactors, one can be built as a fast reactor, one is described as epithermal, and only two operate with slow neutrons like today's plants.

Only one is cooled by light water, two are helium-cooled and the others have a lead-bismuth, sodium or fluoride salt coolant. The latter three operate at low pressure, with significant safety advantages. The last has the uranium fuel dissolved in the circulating coolant. Temperatures range from 510°C to 1000°C, compared with less than 330°C for today's light water reactors—this means that four of the reactors can be used for thermochemical hydrogen production.

it is significant that to address non-proliferation concerns, the fast neutron reactors are not conventional fast breeders, ie they do not have a blanket assembly where plutonium-239 is produced. Instead, plutonium production takes place in the core, where burn-up is high and the proportion of plutonium isotopes other than Pu-239 remains high. In addition, new reprocessing technologies will enable the fuel to be recycled without separating the plutonium.

Nuclear energy, needing considerably less fuel at the beginning of the cycle, with a fraction of the radioactive wastes at the end of the cycle our current reactors leave, producing little or no weapons-grade plutonium, and not dependent upon millions of gallons of cool stream/river/lake water to operate safely. I'm sitting here, trying to cook up an argument for my life-long anti-nuke position, and I'm drawing a blank. And I'm happy about that, which is weird. ;)

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It is weird but I'm happy about it too

It's nice to not have the knee jerking around for once. I've had the life-long anti-nuke hanging around me (Three Mile Island, Chernobyl) as well but it has been apparent for some time now that the rest of the world has adopted nuclear power for their main energy and we haven't melted into a pile of goo yet so....maybe it's OK to let go of those "side stacks building-blocks of worst-case scenarios" now.

I'm in agreement also

The nuclear option has definately been proven to be a viable alternative as part of the mix of other energy resources to help us reduce our carbon emissions.

It is nice to see that there are at least a few others here of like mind.

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“Discussion is an exchange of knowledge; argument is an exchange of ignorance" __ Robert Quillen

Risk versus benefit

It seems one of those immutable "Laws of Nature" that very few, if any, choices in life are black and white, despite the political rhetoric. With nuclear power, as with any method of generating electricity, there are upsides and downsides to consider.

TMI and Chernobyl represent the obvious risks. Yet it can be argued that the hysteria around TMI was a bit overblown, and Chernobyl does not represent in any way the design and operation of reactors in the US. The other obvious problems are in disposal of radioactive waste and security of nuclear material that might in some way be fashioned into some kind of radioactive weapon. One other less obvious but equally troubling issue is the mining of uranium that is necessary, and that poses the same environmental challenges as any other mining operation.

On the positive side, I always point to the safety record of nuclear propulsion in the US Navy. The losses of the USS Scorpion (SSN-589) in 1968 and USS Thresher (SSN-593) in 1963 were tragic, but in neither case was the reactor damaged, and monitoring of both sites over the decades has yielded no environmental impact from radioactive material at the sites.

All of the Navy reactors have been pressurized water reactors, with the notable exception of the power plant for the USS Seawolf (SSN-575). Seawolf had a liquid sodium cooled reactor. It was deemed unreliable, and a year after initial sea trials, the reactor was replaced with a pressurized water reactor.

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Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. -- sign on Einstein's office wall.

Interesting

I have been reading about the nuclear powered naval vessels and it really is interesting. Some (maybe most) can realize decades of power without refueling. Talk about efficient. I think the initial cost of both the vessels themselves and the fuel implementation is pretty high, but pays off in the long run.

I believe that as time has passed with just so few "incidents" and as technology has progressed, the safety concern people have is waining and, in my opinion, it should.

I do agree that one troubling aspect is the disposal of the spent fuel rods/containers and in keeping any coolant that is associated with reactors that becomes exposed under control. If there is an expansion of the nuclear option, these things have to be worked out first, of course.

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“Discussion is an exchange of knowledge; argument is an exchange of ignorance" __ Robert Quillen

Small scale

The other interesting point to consider about shipboard nuclear plants is their small scale, making them ideal for providing power to isolated areas. It seems to me that we moved away from sustainability in lots of ways when we chose the path of huge centralized production of power, food, etc. and large distribution networks, and away from local production.

One other point. The very word "radioactive" is itself radioactive. Consider the toxic waste we produce from coal-fired power plants, or the environmental damage from hydroelectric dams. Is the real danger from mining uranium and disposing of nuclear wastes any greater than the real danger from coal ash? Does a radiation leak pose any greater danger than a coal ash slurry dam break?

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Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. -- sign on Einstein's office wall.

There's hot, and then there's HOT

"Does a radiation leak pose any greater danger than a coal ash slurry dam break?"

But I'm sure you already know that. Enriched uranium and/or plutonium is much more deadly than the U235 traces found in mining waste. Then again, it's probably relative. When you compare the redundant safety measures used with the enriched stuff and the unbelievable negligence and lack of concern associated with mining wastes, I think we can safely say the latter poses more of a (real world) health risk than the former.

The Gen IV project

is geared towards working those things out, Foxy. The "closed" fueling process recycles/reuses the radioactive elements, and the much smaller amounts of (spent) material left over are also considerably less radioactive than the rods we currently have to deal with.

I like it

Hopefully this project succeeds in its goals and hopefully the oh-so influential oil/coal/etc. interests do not get their dirty little hands into it through easily-influenced politicians along the way..

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“Discussion is an exchange of knowledge; argument is an exchange of ignorance" __ Robert Quillen

The title

I would just like to recognize how on target the title of this entry is. A piece of the puzzle. Too often people are looking for the magic solution. I think the most important thing to do as we alter our energy sources is diversify. Single source dependency is bad for so many reasons that we really must make sure that we don't trade what we have now for the same problems with another name.

No silver bullets

in my clip, baby. Or Depleted Uranium bullets, either. :( Steve doesn't like those.

Crossposted

over at dailykos, in case you're interested in a short digital journey.