Reports from one day in one North Carolina newspaper:

A man is shot to death in a parking lot.

Police are investigating a shooting that took place early Sunday morning and the death of a 22-year-old man.

An apparently unstable man who apparently has plenty of guns threatens to shoot the Mayor of Raleigh.

The police searched Redner’s home and seized a silver Toshiba laptop computer, a black HP Notebook and a Dell laptop computer. Investigators also recovered several mobile phones, a .357 Smith & Wesson handgun, a Remington Wingmaster shotgun and a journal, court records show.

on May 6, 2010, Redner avoided a driving while impaired checkpoint and led deputies on a car chase. When the deputies apprehended Redner, they found an AR-15 assault rifle in his car along with “anti-government documents and literature related to the Aryan Nation,” court records show.

On Saturday, two men were shot, one to death.

[The man charged with murder, Jerome Bernard] Neal is also charged with possession of a firearm by a felon and was being held without bail in the Johnston County Jail.

A teenager was shot to death as he walked home.

Police say Freeman was shot by someone in a passing car as he walked down a street with a friend.

How did we allow ourselves to become such an uncivilized society?

Why do we tolerate this?

Why aren't there Egyptian-scale throngs in the streets? Why has this become the normal state of affairs? Why is the typical reaction of most people to sigh and frown but then move on to whatever is next on the agenda?

Yes, people like Sara Brady and Gabby Giffords and the Moms who demand action are paying attention and devoting much time and resources to the gun insanity problem, and many of us support them. But it seems that most Americans shrug off reports such as 3 fatal shootings and a death threat reported in one day in the Raleigh News & Observer, perhaps because we've just become numb to such reports.

This isn't the price we pay for freedom, and it's not about protecting Second Amendment rights. It's gun violence out of control because of a few extreme sick people who don't care how much blood is shed in their quest for the almighty dollar.

It makes me sick.


Another thing that makes me sick

is the stupid trite tag lines the NRA hypes.

Gun nuts like Wayne LaPierre are responsible for killing people.

Sick extremists like Wayne LaPierre are the bad guys with guns.

"What I see from the folks who are opposing our agenda is whining coming from losers." -- Thom Tillis

Being a 2nd Amendment advocate

I believe that everyone owning a gun in our country should have to register their gun and own it legally. But, I also know that the majority of the people that are killed with guns in America are killed by people that have guns that are not registered to them or have them illegally under current gun laws.

So, more gun laws and even outlawing guns isn't the answer to gun crime. There is more to this than just passing a law.

The point is that criminals don't follow the law in the first place so making more laws against gun ownership seems to be the wrong way to stop the gun crime in America.

Reasonable limits

need to be in place, just like they are for all other facets of life. One can argue that criminals don't abide by other laws, either, but that doesn't stop our lawmakers from passing new laws. Just because some people will break laws is no reason not to pursue good laws.

Universal background checks were recently supported by 90% of Americans, including a majority of gun owners. 90%! Unprecedented! Yet Congress can't even pass that law.

I'm not aware of any large body of people who seriously want to ban guns. But reasonable limits, such as banning plastic guns and universal background checks for all transfers of ownership, are good public policy and are not the start of some theoretical slippery slope that will lead to the government coming to take people's guns.

I'm pretty sure that the NRA's preferred solution of having virtually no restrictions on guns whatsoever isn't the way to stop gun crime.

Reasonable people can disagree on the appropriate measures, but why isn't there more outrage about reading about a few of our neighbors dying every week, and dozens dying nationwide every day at the end of a gun barrel?

"What I see from the folks who are opposing our agenda is whining coming from losers." -- Thom Tillis

Most of the laws that have been passed

recently have relaxed restrictions on gun ownership and usage, not tightened it. Granted, most of those are state laws as opposed to federal, but they have an impact.

As far as the "illegal" guns in circulation, the vast majority of them were initially purchased legally. They have a history, and until we are prepared to take the steps that will reveal how they migrated from legal to illegal, we won't know how to stop it. A big part of that involves documentation via registration and database compiling, two issues that gun rights extremists fight tooth and nail.

Good points both

I am not unlike many people that don't want to lose our right to own my deer rifle and my shotgun. Hand guns? Perhaps that is another story. I know that most people that are for gun controls always say not to worry about our rifles and shotguns or even a legally held hand gun. It is one of those give an inch deals. I think my feelings on that aren't exactly shared by a lot of people here though and I realize that.

I'm a 2A advocate too.

But I think it should be required that ALL transactions go through dealers who have to perform background checks and penalties should be very high for those who don't do this.

There are way too many personal sales that allow anyone with the cash to make a buy.

Basically, one would have to be licensed to buy and own a gun.

Strict 2A advocates would never agree to this, but until they come up with anything any better....

Me too

I support people's constitutional rights, including the Second Amendment and all of the others.

I believe that the NRA and other extreme gun-rights groups have become lobbyists for the gun industry and use the Second Amendment as a false wrapper to sustain their money-making machine. Their hypocritical stances on several issues seems to indicate more concern about industry profits than actually protecting the rights of their members. But they use the Second Amendment to fan the flames and intimidate lawmakers.

"What I see from the folks who are opposing our agenda is whining coming from losers." -- Thom Tillis

Illegal guns

One of the stories cited in the original post indicated that the man charged with murdering his neighbor and shooting another neighbor was a convicted felon who was not allowed to own a gun.

We don't know how he obtained that gun.

We do know that when the Charlotte Observer did an investigation and found dozens of felons with permit to own guns, the NCGA, led by Rep. Justin Burr, came up with a bill to keep that information secret, so that no one can know if a convicted felon has somehow gotten permission to get a gun.

Some assert that passing new limitations won't prevent gun violence (it won't entirely, some laws could help). I'll assert that lately, some of the laws passed actually contribute to gun violence, or at least make it worse and not better.

"What I see from the folks who are opposing our agenda is whining coming from losers." -- Thom Tillis

30 round clips should be seriously regulated or

even eliminated. Here's a quote ...

Mark E. Kelly, Ms. Giffords’s husband, testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee in January that Christina Taylor Green, a 9-year-old girl killed in the Tucson shooting, was shot with the 13th bullet in the assailant’s gun.

... from this NYT article.


A new study shows that people with ready access to guns are much more likely to die by guns (especially women).

"What I see from the folks who are opposing our agenda is whining coming from losers." -- Thom Tillis