Hagan on NAFTA
Submitted by Betsy Muse on Tue, 04/21/2009 - 11:26am
Not just yes, but hayul yes:
“While I understand the President’s desire to maintain a good relationship with our North American trading partners, I am disappointed US Trade Representative Ron Kirk has said it is not necessary to renegotiate the North America Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA),” said Hagan. “This country’s current trade policy is not working. The manufacturing economy in North Carolina has suffered and far too many North Carolinians have lost their jobs. It is only right we require our trading partners to enforce the labor and environmental standards that we ask of our manufacturing industry.”
'Nuff said.
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I'm all for trade
as long as everyone is playing on a level field.
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But thats the point.
There is no such thing as fair trade. We simply can't and will never be able to compete with South East Asia when it comes to labor cost.
I say we need to start talking about a little protectionism here. I mean there is enough American demand still left in this country to produce goods and services in America for Americans. Then once we Rebuild OUR economy then maybe we can worry about the rest of the world.
Anthony D. Hall,
Fighting for Truth, Justice, Freedom and the American Way!
Maybe we need to change "Free" to
"Fair".
Just sayin'
-b
There cannot fail to be more kinds of things, as nature grows further disclosed. - Sir Francis Bacon
They can call it whatever they want
as long as the trading field is level. If you read her quote it sure sounds like fair trade.
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That would be a big mistake
We need to make NAFTA work better within the current rules, we don't need to start over. The latest trade war with Mexico was started by the US because we refuse to allow Mexican trucks, which have been proven safe, to travel in the USA which is years overdue. There is only one reason for this: the Teamsters union, who thinks it will cut jobs. But our trucks would be allowed to go to Mexico too, which would create jobs.
We don't need to be moving to more protectionism and unfortunatly, too many Democrats want to go that route, it appears.
On the reverse side I can say
too many Republicans aren't protecting American's jobs enough!
WE
Don't need NAFTA PERIOD! Why? They take good paying jobs form Hard working Americans so that BIG Coporations get lower Labor Cost.
Which means people want be able to BUY the goods and services that are being outsourced. In the end destroying the Global Economy because right now the US is still the largest comsumer of goods so when OUR Consumption decreases the entire GLOBAL ECONOMY WILL BE EFFECTED. PERIOD! Get good jobs back in the US. The GLOBAL ECONOMY WILL REBOUND!
Anthony D. Hall,
Fighting for Truth, Justice, Freedom and the American Way!
Fair trade works for me
and I'm glad Senator Hagan understands the fact that our manufacturing jobs are leaving the United States of America for other countries that don't enforce their labor and OSHA type laws the way we do here. This accounts for many corporations moving their manufacturing to those countries simply for the reason that it costs them less to do business there. If we have a free trade agreement with that country where the corporation has moved their manufacturing too, the money saved on not having to comply with good regulations is not taxed, it is also not subject to tarrifs. It simply goes to the bottom line of the corporation while people here in the USA see the middle class who used to do most of this manufacturing going under.
I have no problem whatsoever with a corporation making a profit. In fact, I'm all for it, get 'er done corporation! However, if they are going to add to their profit on backs of the workers who receive much less in the way of environmental/safety regulations as well as the loss of American jobs due to that profit, I have an issue. In that case, I would like to see fair trade inacted. I have yet to see a compelling arguement that would change my view on this.
North Carolina. Turning the South Blue!
Hagan gets a big plus from me on this one!
Being a retiree, my days of fighting on picket lines and other work related actions are not in my future. But the principle of fighting for what is good for working people in the US is still with me. Since the days of Reagan, the politicians have sold this country down the drain on the backs of these so-called 'free tradists', who are nothing but whores for the billionaires, who stand to make money on slave labor. I find it pretty disturbing to see some in Congress still getting elected from districts where their jobs are still being outsourced to other countries, while the younger people passively let it happen. Now, Obama is plainly seeing no opposition to just dropping a campaign pledge in order to avoid making any stand against NAFTA. You surprised me on this one, Kay!
So-called "free trade"
A "free trade" agreement doesn't need to be hundreds of pages long or whatever. This is what is called "managed" trade for the benefit of those who have influence, just as our health care system is a "managed care" system. Don't go blaming free markets for this disaster.
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"The natural wage of labor is its product." -- Benjamin R. Tucker
A liberal is someone who thinks the system is broken and needs to be fixed, whereas a radical understands it’s working the way it’s supposed to.
It may surprise you, but I agree with your statement....
except for the part where you infer I'm blaming 'free markets'. Actually, if we did have 'free markets' in reality, we wouldn't be in the quagmire we find ourselves. I think we can agree that most of our markets are manipulated by a minority of global population. Hence the need for regulation and trust busting, which hasn't been practiced since Harry Truman?
Creative Destruction
It is absolutely fair to ask other countries to live up to their side of the bargain. But trying to revive dead industries isn't the answer, and putting up barriers to trade is a proven way to worsen an economic crisis.
A level playing field doesn't exist because some countries are going to be better equipped to make things than other countries. It makes no sense for countries that are inefficient in an area of production to maintain robust production in that area except in the case of national defense. But our country can find better, newer industries and better goods and services to produce. We lament losing manufacturing and textile jobs to foreign nations, but it was New England and the Northeast that lamented the loss of these same jobs to the Sunbelt a couple of generations ago. Where would we be had they not lost the jobs?
A viable idea is making sure that there is a social welfare system to take care of hardworking citizens should their jobs leave. Let's work for universal health care, real unemployment insurance. The lack of this system is a problem that America has not dealt with. As long as we don't deal with the problem it decreases the comparative advantage that America has in trade.
The lack of a welfare state, however, is not the only problem. Take the example of GM - they were hurt by the fact that car manufacturers in other countries didn't have to pay health benefits and the same high wages, but they did nothing to innovate. They killed the electric car. They built the American middle class on the grand vision of Futurama that they presented in the Thirties, but ran out of ideas.
I believe in creative destruction. When an economy doesn't innovate, it dies. America always improved because of immigration, new ideas, and better goods - and because of the fact that we could export our goods and ideas to other countries. Sometimes, people lose, but even Adam Smith believed that "regulation ... in support of the workmen, is always just and equitable." I'm all for a state that recognizes that while capitalism is the only economic system that works, it works best when you protect your citizens from consequences that are not their fault.
Trade is a two-way street that we're not in a position to close down ... though we do have the power to make them play by the rules. Let's avoid making the same mistake a second time, let's take care of the 10.8% of people in NC who are in trouble, let's allow immigration in service of helping the economy, and let's put energy into giving life to new jobs and the next great American industry.
I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks
By leveled trading field
I meant that we don't allow slave labor, child labor or harsh labor practices.
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