Kissell v Hayes, NC-08 - Waiting......Waiting...... (UPDATE)

Submitted by Betsy Muse on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 9:26pm

It was a long cold rainy day and worth every minute of it. There are so many people who have worked so very, very hard for this day. Win or not, this has been an amazing experience and one I will not forget for the rest of my life.

Larry is up in Mecklenburg County and I'm checking the different counties. I'll post some stories from today in a bit. I need to check for some numbers.

9:41

In checking individual counties I can only find Stanly County results which typically goes for Hayes with 70% of the vote. He's at 62% with 24 of 28 precincts reporting.

Mecklenburg is only showing early voting numbers still.

Many of the counties do not have their own web sites, so it's a bit tough to find them all.

Typically, minority and smaller town boxes come in last and those should favor Larry. Don't get discouraged yet.

10:10

I'm having a hard time logging in. I will keep trying, but don't know how much patience I'll have.

Anson has reported in with 3370 for Kissell and 2119 for Hayes.

Stanly is reporting 26 of 28 precincts in with 6033 votes for Larry and 9452 for Hayes. It is a narrower margin that Hayes has enjoyed in the past in Stanly County.

Cumberland, Hoke and Scotland - can't find online results for them.

10:51

We're still waiting for a portion of Mecklenburg, but I don't know if the margin will be enough to close. Most of the smaller counties are not available online. I know that Union, Cabarrus and Stanly have all reported in and they are the Republican strongholds.

11:44

Wow. This is close. I can happily report that Robin Hayes will not win one - NOT ONE precinct in Mecklenburg County. I'm not sure the number of votes is there to make up for Stanly and Cabarrus. The precinct that I worked - 205 - is the only precinct that Hayes has won for the two cycles Meck has been part of the district. Larry Kissell won that precinct by a handful of votes. It makes the aches and chills worth it.

9:24am on Wednesday

More Kissell votes have been found. The difference between the two has narrowed to 346 votes. The totals at SBOE now stand at 61,168 for Hayes and 60,822 for Kissell. Let's count those provisionals!

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It's tight.

Submitted by James Protzman on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 9:32pm.

Which precincts will be late? Are they Larry's strong holds?

Good to see you.

51% in

Submitted by Todd on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 9:35pm.

Robin Hayes (i) (R) 35,625 52%
Larry Kissell (D) 32,342 48%
Precincts Reporting - 51%

Win or Lose,

Submitted by Lance on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 9:36pm.

Larry has renewed my excitement about politics. I get excited about policy, but almost never about candidates. Sure, I get a little misty-eyed thinking of the Big Dog's day, and I was a little high on Gore on my way out of An Inconvenient Truth, the Larry is the only candidate who has reduced me to sounding like a giddy kiddy.

agreed

Submitted by Robert P. on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 9:52pm.

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130 of 205 reporting

Submitted by bchriste80 on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 9:50pm.

Hayes 52.32%
Kissell 47.68%

Larry will need a big late surge.

Closer...

Submitted by Todd on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:01pm.

Robin Hayes (i) (R) 52,300 51%
Larry Kissell (D) 49,798 49%
Precincts Reporting - 82%

My poor fingernails

Submitted by kismet on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:04pm.

are bitten off. At least they called NC-11 for Shuler. That's one in the bag.

Still about 2,500 votes with 86% in

Submitted by Lance on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:07pm.

Down 2,228 with 90% reporting (184 of 205)

Submitted by Christopher on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:18pm.

n/t

I am so proud of Heath Shuler

Submitted by Betsy Muse on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:15pm.

and all of the people who helped elect him. There were a lot of Republicans crossing over tonight.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

if meck goes strong.../

Submitted by Robert P. on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:20pm.

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We may have Robin Hayes to kick around

Submitted by Lance on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:35pm.

Meck is 3/4 in, and has been going about 2:1 for Larry. Cumberland county is about 3/5 in, and has been going about 2:1 for Hayes. The other counties are all in. I don't know much about the relative populations, but there would have to be a hell of a lot of votes coming in from Meck in the end count to get Larry over the hump. I'd really like to be wrong about this.

I misread the Cumberland numbers before

Submitted by Lance on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:38pm.

Hayes' margin there is much lower. Cumberland's nearly all in, and Larry needs to find 2,200 more votes than Hayes in that last 25% of Meck.

1,574

Submitted by Todd on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:37pm.

Robin Hayes (i) (R) 56,200 51%
Larry Kissell (D) 54,626 49%
Precincts Reporting - 90%

1,967

Submitted by Todd on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:38pm.

U.S. House (District 8)
Robin Hayes (R) * 58704
Larry Kissell (D) 56737
194 of 205 precincts reporting

Who knows what the recount rules are?

Submitted by James Protzman on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:41pm.

n/t

I don't know them for

Submitted by boldlyblue on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:43pm.

I don't know them for certain, but if it stays within one percentage point, then I'm sure that regardless of who comes out on top after all precincts report tonight, there'll be a recount.

US House NC District 8 200

Submitted by Christopher on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:46pm.

US House NC District 8
200 of 205 (98%) precincts reporting (updated: 11:42pm)
Win Name Party Incumb Votes %
ROBIN HAYES GOP 58,704 51%
LARRY KISSELL DEM 56,737 49%

Actually, technically that

Submitted by Christopher on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:48pm.

Actually, technically that should read as 50% to 49%, no?

No, Hayes has about 50.85% of the collected vote

Submitted by Lance on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:54pm.

under these numbers. This is very sad.

The state board can order a recount whenever they want

Submitted by Lance on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:46pm.

In addition:

Mandatory Recounts for Ballot Items Within the Jurisdiction of the State Board of Elections. – In a ballot item within the jurisdiction of the State Board of Elections, a candidate shall have the right to demand a recount of the votes if the difference between the votes for that candidate and the votes for a prevailing candidate are not more than the following:

(1) For a nonstatewide ballot item, one percent (1%) of the total votes cast in the ballot item, or in the case of a multiseat ballot item, one percent (1%) of the votes cast for those two candidates.

(2) For a statewide ballot item, one‑half of one percent (0.5%) of the votes cast in the ballot item, or 10,000 votes, whichever is less.

Larry would need to make a formal request before 5:00pm tomorrow. Linky

We're at about 1.7% right now.

Submitted by Lance on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:49pm.

97% of Meck

Submitted by Christopher on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:00am.

I think we're just waiting on the last 3% of Mecklenburg. We've hit almost 70% there, but we wont pick up the roughly 1,600 we need.

CNN says...

Submitted by boldlyblue on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:12am.

CNN says:

Hayes by 468 votes with 100% reporting!

Holy shit. QUITE the

Submitted by Christopher on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:14am.

Holy shit. QUITE the development.

Holy shit, indeed!

Submitted by Lance on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:17am.

Do we have anyone at Kissell HQ? If not, do we have a phone number?

I think cell service is

Submitted by Christopher on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:19am.

I think cell service is somewhat shotty out there, but I'm sure we'll have info soon. Surprisingly, News14 has been popping in on the HQ every now and again.

468 votes apart!

Submitted by Todd on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:18am.

From the N&O

U.S. House (District 8)
Robin Hayes (R) * 60500
Larry Kissell (D) 60032
205 of 205 precincts reporting

Final count

Submitted by TarGator on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:18am.

U.S. House (District 8)
Robin Hayes (R) * 60500
Larry Kissell (D) 60032
205 of 205 precincts reporting

This is within 0.5%, the typical recount level.

Unbelievable

Submitted by Betsy Muse on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:30am.

...but I'm not in to moral victories.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

Is < 0.5% difference an automatic

Submitted by Leslie H on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:30am.

recount? It is, isn't it?

Anybody else need malox?

1% in nonstatewide race

Submitted by TarGator on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:37am.

Old Man Hayes

Submitted by Christopher on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:35am.

is on NC14 now, making the worst jokes ever. Now we calculate provisionals? I know of at least 10 provisional votes alone for Larry here in Cabarrus. Not that it's much...

12:50 AM

Submitted by davebuckland on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:53am.

1700 provisional ballots in Mecklenberg Co to count tommorrow

Well then I am going to bed.

Submitted by Lance on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:56am.

It's kind of amazing, but the thought that Larry might not win is enough to dampen my joy at all the other Dem wins tonight.

I will be up

Submitted by TarGator on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 1:03am.

keep sending updates.

1700 in Mecklenburg sounds

Submitted by Christopher on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 1:05am.

1700 in Mecklenburg sounds delicious.

This old man

Submitted by James Protzman on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:58am.

is turning in. Looks like a few important recounts over the next few days, so I'm gong to rest up. :)

But before I go, I'd just like to say a few things:

You guys and gals are the most awesome friends in the world. I'm honored to be associated with all of you and I'm totally inspired by your energy and commitment.

The mountain contingent has been unbelievable. My hats off to each of you for never letting up for one damn second. Up Chuck is already dwindling to nothing more than a bad memory.

In NC-8, I'm optimistic that Larry will come out on top. Four hundred votes is a rounding error and Mr. Kissell has karma on his side. He is the right man for the job and you all have done everything humanly possible to help him across the finish line.

James

PS. I also want to offer my condolences to the Puppetmaster. He flushed hundreds of thousands down the toilet in an arrogant effort to divide and conquer our state, and all he has to show for it is a Hairdresser in the legislature. Mr. Pope and his extremist politics have been flat-out rejected. Again.

We should send a card?

Submitted by Betsy Muse on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 6:16am.

I wonder if Hallmark has one that's appropriate.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

So, that's it? No more ballots?

Submitted by Robert P. on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 1:45am.

Now we fight the recount battle?

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Who decides when and if

Submitted by Leslie H on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 1:59am.

provisionals are counted? Does that come before recounts? I'm all questions and no answers tonight.

FAQ on provisionals

Submitted by TarGator on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 2:06am.

1. Who determines whether or not a provisional ballot is valid?
State law provides that the County Boards of Elections determine the eligibility of
provisional ballots in their jurisdictions. Each county board is made of three members, a
Chairman, Secretary, and Member. There is only one municipality with an Election Board.
They determine the validity of provisional ballots in their municipal election.
2. What is the time frame for counting provisional ballots?
State law sets the deadline for counting provisional ballots to be the County Board Canvass.
3. What is the process for determining the eligibility of a provisional ballot?
Based upon research of documentation of voter information at the County Elections Office,
the County Board of Elections approves or denies a provisional ballot.
4. Who can observe the process?
The public can observe this process as long as they do not interfere with the ongoing
operations of the County Board Office.
5. Is a provisional ballot counted if it is cast in the wrong precinct?
An otherwise valid provisional ballot cast in the wrong precinct, but the right county, will be
counted in the races for which the voter is eligible to vote.
6. What information must voters provide on the provisional ballot?
The voter provides their name, address, birth date, signature, and party affiliation, the same
data that is required to register to vote, on the provisional ballot envelope.
7. May a voter remedy a provisional ballot that may be rejected?
To have his ballot counted, the voter who cast a deficient provisional ballot must appear in
person at the county office and remedy the problem before the county canvass.

It looks like the counties have their time to count them. Do not expect anything tonight.

More votes found for Kissell

Submitted by Betsy Muse on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 9:26am.

I updated this post. They found some votes somewhere. SBOE just updated about 40 minutes ago and the total is Hayes 61,168 to Kissell 60,822 for a difference of 346.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Kissell!

Submitted by NCDem Amy on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 11:10am.

You will be happy to know, SD, that there were Kissell stickers on the front desk at the NCDP State HQ last night at the Victory Party. (Of course, I put one on!)

I talked with several Edwards supporters about how Edwards campaigned for Kissell and said, "Larry is not just the son of a millworker, he IS a millworker!" lol. Everyone was rooting for him.

Soooo....close!

I had one on my sweater next to my scribbled BlueNC name tag.

Submitted by Robert P. on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:19pm.

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NCDem

Submitted by Lovex7 on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 4:51pm.

I was there too. I wish I had known who you were.

Spread the word

Submitted by Lance on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 11:03am.

I don't think that the national media outlets or bloggers have noticed that this race isn't over. The Blogometer today lists Larry as an "L". Maybe it's time to send a few emails?

So is it possible for us to

Submitted by Christopher on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:09pm.

So is it possible for us to get a list of who filed provisional ballots, and where? Can we not take the next step and ask folks to go down and make sure their provisional ballots are counted? I'm not content with just sitting around and waiting. I need something to do.

Just received a press release from the NCDP

Submitted by Betsy Muse on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:26pm.

They have their lawyers working on making sure every vote is counted. I'm not sure there's anything we can do. It's tough to have to sit and wait.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

Thanks for the update, SD!

Submitted by NCDem Amy on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 1:30pm.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Thanks again for all of the good work you've done!

Still don't hear no stinkin' Fat Lady singin'

Submitted by momoaizo on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 1:55pm.

So it aint over till all the votes are counted! I am so twisted up right now, I have everything possible crossed!

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

NC-8 - Any news on provisionals?

Submitted by Todd on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 4:04pm.

Any updates on the provisional ballots? Has anything been counted yet? What's the deadline for getting it done? I can't stand this waiting and not knowing.

NC-8 Updated Totals: 460 votes apart

Submitted by Todd on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 4:23pm.

Updated totals per CNN:

North Carolina 08
Updated: 3:50 p.m. ET

Hayes 60,508 50%
Kissell 60,048 50%
100% of precincts reporting

CNN is wrong

Submitted by Betsy Muse on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 4:28pm.

read my messages above for correct totals

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

IF Larry

Submitted by Lovex7 on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 4:54pm.

can pull this off it will be an early Christmas for me. I don't expect to win every seat - just every seat I care about.

can you please CARE about the Senate race in 08 ; )

Submitted by Robert P. on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 5:00pm.

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Methinks she does.

Submitted by James Protzman on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 5:03pm.

Methinks maybe her brother might too!

Just a thinks.

A is Right

Submitted by Lovex7 on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 9:48am.

I do care a lot.

: ) then we are safe!!!

Submitted by Robert P. on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 10:02am.

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Spread widens unfortunately to 465

Submitted by gregflynn on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 8:31am.

Slight change in Vote tally at State Board of Elections this AM

Robert C. (Robin) Hayes REP 60,481
Larry Kissell DEM 60,016

They went back to the old numbers?

Submitted by Betsy Muse on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 9:00am.

I wonder what happened? They took votes from Hayes and Kissell back to the old count. Hmmmmm.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

Would a telephone call...

Submitted by Thomas Brock on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 9:16am.

To the BOE be in order? Maybe they have information to give...

Thomas S. Brock
www.brocknet.net
www.brocknet.net/WordPress/

OnslowCountyPolitics@gmail.com
http://onslowcountypolitics.brocknet.net

eh

Submitted by Blue South on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 10:15am.

Im not worried about a difference of a 100 either way on their website today. Lets just make sure that its correct in three weeks.

HelpLarry.com

NC-08 Count Status

Submitted by gregflynn on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 10:37am.

Raleigh 10.30am

I just left the State Board of Elections where the status was explained to me.

Each county Board of Elections is currently auditing the count by comparing the tapes with the reported counts. In some cases a reported precinct number was incorrectly added to the total causing it to be counted twice. The SBOE (unofficial) numbers are being updated as they are being re-reported by the Counties. The SBOE will not know about provisional ballots officially until November 17th, canvass day.

Each County Board is in the process of evaluating provisional ballots which will be added to the count by canvass day, Nov 17th, but on no fixed schedule. To learn if all the provisional ballots have been counted before then, each County Board will have to be contacted. A request to a County Board could be made for notification of when all the provisionals have been evaluated and counted in that county.

Thanks, Greg.

Submitted by James Protzman on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 11:57am.

I'd love to see a "My trip to the SBOE" entry sometime. I've never been there, and I think it's good for us to be able to visualize what these organization are like. Maybe some pics!