NC Graduation Rates Released - Open Thread

We have a couple more posts that may come in later in the afternoon for BlueNC Women on Wednesday. lcloud has been working on a post, but was surprised with an opportunity I'm sure she'll share at the appropriate time and may choose to hold her post. Trust me, you'll understand when you hear about it. Also, NCDem Amy has captured that nasty virus that's going around and is doing her best to finalize her post.

I hadn't planned to put anything on the front page, but thought everyone would be interested in the data out on North Carolina's high school graduation rates. From the News & Observer:

The results showed noticeable gaps in the graduation rate among racial, ethnic and economic groups. While 73.6 percent of white students graduated, the rate dropped to 60 percent for blacks, 55.3 percent for low-income students and 51.8 percent for Hispanics.

There was also a gap among the sexes, with 72.4 percent of female students graduating, compared with 63.9 percent of males.

Head on over to the N&O to see how your county performed.

Comments

Another brick in the Wall!

Only regressives could think that equal education for all is a bad idea!

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

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Okay, I broke out the NC data from the US

data, but the stuff from the N&O is by county only.

Saved it here

But I don't know if other can see it.

I am willing to do the work, if I can find the data more easily.

Compare

graduation rates to poverty rates

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That's a really good idea

will have to do that later......need to finish a few other things first.

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John Kerry puts Swift Boat donor

in his place. Read this, you'll enjoy it. It's short.

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too little

WAYYYYY too late.

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It's still fun to see him get his digs



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Glad you said that Blue

He should have shown a little backbone during his campaign!

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so this

is what a rebound looks like??
• DJIA 12305.24 +89.00 +0.73%
• NASDAQ 2423.73 +15.87 +0.66%
• S&P 500 1410.77 +11.73 +0.84%

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Uh.....not encouraging



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ah yes

the numbers look even worse, and yet the article still says they rebounded. at least it admits it was a fitful rebound.

• DJIA 12268.15 +51.91 +0.42%
• NASDAQ 2416.13 +8.27 +0.34%
• S&P 500 1406.74 +7.70 +0.55%

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Duke energy gets only one coal-fired plant

instead of the two it was asking for. Also has to double amount spent on programs to reduce energy use or it doesn't even get the one. Story is in the Charlotte Observer.

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drop in the bucket

That seems to me like a poor compromise, doubling alternative energy spending from $25M to $50M, to get the chance to build a ~$2B project, thats barely 1 percent of the new unit's cost.

heard a spokesman on the radio today talking about the high-tech, super-dee-duper emissions controls that will be in place: 99% SOx reduction, 95+% NOx reduction, 99% mercury reduction. That's not impressive, it's what it must have anyway. Then the dubious claim that it would lower CO2 emissions by displacing less efficient older coal plants. I thought this plant was needed to expand capacity, not replace capacity?

If it isn't needed to expand capacity, then it's an attempt to get a plant built before CO2 rules get tough.

-B

I hadn't thought about it that way - obviously

I had always thought they asked for two so they could get one anyway. I think they got what they wanted.



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THAT was a great first WoW!

Still hoping to hear from NCDem and Lcloud though, but what a day this has been. I'll bet you're tired just trying to keep everything so well moderated SD. A big thank you to all the guys who resisted from front paging but still participated.

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Speaking of

NC Judge turns cartwheels in court

I taught Suunday school with this guy. He's a good egg. Watch the story. It's a nice one.

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February numbers


Click the pic for a close up look at nearly 13,000 visitors for February - more than 39,000 visits and 265,000 page loads!

Very cool.

A

PS And many thanks to the good women of BlueNC for a most enjoyable day. I've told many friends about WOW and they have all been pleased as punch.

I don't know why the January numbers got zeroed out

but I remember the first column for January . . . it was a little over 11,000.

Final uniqiue visitors for February

13,008

Amazing . . . I never imagined we'd crack the 13K mark!

I hate to say this,

but the Puppets got something right again. In an essay about the State Board of Education, one of the minions makes a good point.

Stoops analyzed the 13-member board’s votes from 2003 to 2006. Excluding housekeeping and ceremonial votes, board members reached unanimous agreement 94 percent of the time. “Regardless of ideological similarities among members, it is unlikely that their ideas and beliefs converge perfectly on nearly every issue,” he said. “This board’s voting history makes you wonder why a board of education is necessary at all.”

I have no doubt that Mr. Stoops and I would differ greatly on exactly how this group-think problem should be remedied, but I agree that if a board has 94% unanimity in an area where public policy so clearly needs to be improved, then something is way out of whack.

The problem, of course, is where to look for alternative views. The Puppets would want a free-market fundamentalist or two. I'd prefer intrapreneur - experienced public-sector educators who have broken the mold on traditional thinking without an agenda to destroy public education. Those kinds of people are hard to find, but worth the search, IMO.

I hate to say this,

but the logic is flawed. The board tends not to vote on something until there is agreement. An issue that won't fly isn't likely to come to a vote until it is ready. There are spirited discussions and dissenting views that result in requests for more information or rework to address the concerns of individual board members before a matter is brought to a vote.

The minutes are a record of divergence and convergence. The votes are a record of convergence. Extrapolating from the voting history is a spurious measure.

In any event the board meeting structure changed this month, starting a new statistical timeline.

Maybe

But if a board only votes on things around which they've been able to achieve consensus, they are not likely to be drivers of innovation. When I was an elected official, I thought most of the things on which we achieved board and community consensus about were uninspired and homogenized.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not eager to agree with Puppets on anything - and in this case vote unanimity may very well be spurious, but it does seem worth watching.

Watching

I know what you mean and I agree with that. I'm not a big fan of consensus as it tends to be practiced.

I just think that the numbers can be spun many ways. A 67%, 50% or even 33% rate of unanimity could be evidence of a fractured and unproductive board frequently in conflict and rarely taking decisive action. There is a difference between the rate of unanimity and the rate of agreement. The decisions could be good or bad, inspired or uninspired.

There could be a 0% unanimity rate and with 93% agreement if one person dissented at every vote. The unanimity rate still doesn't tell me much but like you said, worth watching.

Because it's Nice to Share -

Leaders and Laggards Education Report Card

That's interesting

NC is right in the middle, which is good.

There has to be a middle. Everyone can't be top or bottom.

But wait... the grades they gave NC average out to 3.7777 but the graph shows us as a lower C, closer to a 3.0

But Kansas, who they show as higher, has a lower average? 3.4

WTF?

Surely the Chamber of Commerce would not lie?

Oh, never mind.

Better Than Last

But look who's behind us:

SC, AR, GA, KY, WV, AL, MS, DC, et.al.

I must say I'm extremely disappointed in MI's score. They used to have a 1st rate educational system. But I do have to question NC's being ahead of them having experienced both.

hmmm....

US Chamber of Commerce

is NOT where I'd get my education news. I think you are wise to question this list.

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First -

If you look at the major findings - you'll see what they were measuring.

How the Report Card Was Created explains what data was collected -

It doesn't say students are smarter in some states than others and it doesn't say that teachers are better in some states or others; the main focus is that the units of measure between the states is so varied that NCLB could not be used accurately because they are measuring different things in different ways.

The report did not mention NCLB - I did. But if you read some of those links above you'll see why I say that.