R.I.P. Howard Zinn
I recently read a good post over at CommonDreams.org. It was written by David Potorti who lost a brother on 9/11 at the WTC. David remembers Howard Zinn and reminds us what it means to be a patriot. That with a few words Howard Zinn could affect the life of David Potorti, and so on, should give us hope that ideas and commitment matter. Like a pebble striking still water, our words can spread like ripples to touch the distant shore.
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It had to be a great event, boball
I am a grad of Elon and am elated that this kind of presentation was given there. I may be wrong on this but it seems that the impetus of the speech given was that 911 happened because of America's wrongful involvement in world affairs. Am I wrong here?
I take exception to that, if indeed that was the meaning of what was being said. America has gotten into so many foreign "experiences" that has seen countless lives saved. When we turn our efforts to help the human endeavor around the world into politics, we lose, the countries affected lose and mankind loses.
Maybe I am wrong on what is being said here. If so, say so.
Thanks.
America is
many things to many people and it cannot be forgotten that we have often been the "good guys". Like in 2005 when we went into Indonesia at great expense and at great risk to pull people out of the greatest natural disaster in our time. I don't personally believe we went into Indonesia for resources or to protect our "vital interests" (if I hear one more president say that I swear I'll scream). No, we went in to help pure and simple. And I can tell you that the people of Indonesia remember that and us with gratitude. The government of Indonesia? Not as sure about that arrangement, but the people were helped. And they remember a country--our country-- standing tall in those dark days. We have stood tall many times over the years.
But governments are not countries, try as they might to convince us of that.
Our government (in the name of the country) has done good things yes. But Howard Zinn and others felt/feel that our government has done some bad deeds; some very very bad deeds. I find the History of the USA and our involvement in world affairs to be a bit, shall we say, murky over the last 75 years or so. Some cynical person once said,
and while I don't pretend to know if that is true, I do recognize murkiness.
There is a tendency to dismiss folks like Howard Zinn as conspiracy theorists, wearing their tinfoil hats and espousing all kinds of crackpot ideas. But I think he had some insight into that murky last century, insofar as anyone does. Indeed Howard Zinn experienced first hand some of the on-the-ground consequences of war, and those memories changed him.
Once, Dwight D Eisenhower asked his Sec of State, "Why do they hate us?" The answer given is not germane, but the question was asked by a sitting president in 1956. 1956.
I want to believe that we are *always* the good guys; that we stand for good and decent things in the world. But I fear we lost our way some time back there--made some choices based on power, influence, control and self-interest. Nationalism instead of patriotism.
-b
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There cannot fail to be more kinds of things, as nature grows further disclosed. - Sir Francis Bacon
Yeah, me too boball
Look at what we are doing in Haiti. But, I do know that at times our "involvements" were less than...shall I say, humanitarian. But, our intentions were almost always good.
You know what they say about the road to hell
and good intentions, right?
:)
Do good. Be nice. Have fun.
Oh, yeah
Most definately appropriate with regard to this conversation.
If you want to read a real
"If you want to read a real history book, read Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States. " That book will knock you on your ass." -Will Hunting