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CRITICAL ALERT: Protect Voters and the Public Confidence in Elections Act. Take action now!
Following the low turnout Labor Commissioner runoff, some organizations are promoting "instant runoff" as a solution to these low interest runoffs.

Urgent! On Tues July 8, 10:00 AM the House Judiciary I Committee will hear an amendment in SB 1263 to allow a 3 year Instant runoff pilot. Instant runoff is a well intended reform that does not meet its promise and as written, the pilots do not follow important election laws and protections.

Critical! Call and email the Judiciary Committee before Tuesday JULY 8th: House Judiciary I Committee email addressess, phone numbers and a sample message below. If you can only call a few, call the ones whose names are in bold.

Phone:
Chairman Rep.Ross 919-733-5773,Vice Chairman Rep. Goodwin 919-733-5823,
Vice Chairman Rep. Stam 919-733-2962, Vice Chairman Rep. Stiller 919-301-1450,
Rep. M. Alexander 919-733-5807, Rep. Blust 919-733-5781, Rep. Bryant 919-733-5878,
Rep. Clary 919-715-2002, Rep. Hall 919-733-5872, Rep. Harrison 919-733-5771,
Rep. Holmes 919-733-5654, Rep. Martin 919-733-5758,
Rep. Mobley 919-733-5780, Rep. West 919-733-5859

Email: Deborahr@ncleg.net, Melanieg@ncleg.net, Pauls@ncleg.net,
Bonners@ncleg.net, Marthaa@ncleg.net, Johnbl@ncleg.net, Angelab@ncleg.net, Debbiec@ncleg.net,Larryh@ncleg.net, Priceyh@ncleg.net,Georgeho@ncleg.net, verlai@ncleg.net,
Grierm@ncleg.net, Anniem@ncleg.net, Rogerw@ncleg.net

Subject: SB 1263 - Please say no to the Instant runoff voting pilot

Chairman Rep. Ross, Vice Chairman Rep. Goodwin, Vice Chairman Rep. Stam, Vice Chairman Rep. Stiller, Rep. M. Alexander, Rep. Blust, Rep. Bryant, Rep. Clary, Rep. Hall, Rep. Harrison, Rep. Holmes, Rep. Insko, Rep. Martin, Rep. Mobley, Rep. West

Dear Honorable Judiciary I Committee Members;

Protect Voters and the Public Confidence in Elections Act. Recent Pilots used uncertified software, counted votes away from where they were cast, and counted instant runoff (IRV) votes before provisionals. All violations of our own law, and against best election integrity practices.

Please do not extend pilots as they are currently constructed.

1) The pilot in Cary was very small scale, yet flawed, and many of the real costs were absorbed by volunteers.
2) The proposed pilot does not require safeguards recommended for IRV voting as used in other IRV jurisdictions.
3) The costs of a statewide IRV, especially if there are several affected races are unknown but grossly underestimated and misrepresented by the proponents.
4) The pilot proposes several regressions of our 2005 law that established NC as the leader in honest voting. The most significant regressions are uncertified software and lack of transparency and auditability.
5) IRV may harm the estimated 18% of NC voters with serious literacy difficulties.

There are other simpler less expensive ways to eliminate costly runoff elections. We can stop having statewide runoffs - 42 states don't have them, do as 45 other states do and appoint the Labor Commissioner , or adjust the thresholds for these elections. Other states have estimated that voter education would cost at least $1.5 million each election year. Third parties can be helped by making ballot access easier, and considering other voting methods that don't require complex tabulation.

Thank you.

this is posted at www.ncvoter.net

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truth about IRV

Almost all of the jurisdictions in the US that use IRV are using it with opitical scan systems. Go to www.fairvote.org for the truth, not scare tactics, on IRV

Wake Forest won't play us anymore
Michigan last year
LSU - you are next
Go ASU!

San Fran Grand Jury:probs with San Fran's IRV elections

According to a Grand Jury report released on July 3, 2008,

1. Some of San Francisco's poll workers and voters don't understand IRV, and

2. San Francisco currently does not have a certified voting system to count IRV and needs a back up plan. They may have to hand count over 400,000 IRV ballots in November.

Excerpts of the report and a link, lower down.

Background on San Francisco:

Note: San Francisco is the largest jurisdiction in the US to have IRV, and they have had it for the longest, adopted in 2003, implemented in 2004. We know they spent $1.87 per voter and 700 public outreach events the first year, for a city with around 418,000 reg voters.
(Wake County has at least 460,000 +).

The Grand Jury report says that some voters and poll workers do not understand IRV, and
that they need a back up plan in case the new Sequoia voting system is not certified.

Excerpts

The 2007-2008 San Francisco Civil Grand Jury review of five elections for the city/county of San Francisco

Ranked-Choice Voting and Absentee (Vote By Mail) Ballots

RCV ballots were used in the November 2007 election for the offices of Mayor, District Attorney, and Sheriff. Some pollworkers and voters told the Jury that they did not understand how to vote for candidates where RCV ballots were used. In the November 2008 election, RCV ballots will be used for some local offices. Aditional education and outreach need to be provided to the voters to clarify the RCV process so that the ballots accurately reflect the intentions of the voters.

Findings:

11. Some pollworkers and voters do not understand the procedures for voting for candidates where Ranked-Choice ballots are used.
Findings

14. While the DOE does meet these legal requirements, additional outreach efforts are needed on voter registration requirements and deadlines, the Ranked-Choice Voting process and the requirements for submitting a valid Absentee Ballot.

V Recommendations

3. The DOE should publicly establish a date certain by which Sequoia must receive the Secretary of State's certification regarding the counting of RCV ballots. This date should be no later than September 15, 2008.

Response required: Department of Elections;

Elections Commission

4. TO prepare for the possibility that Sequoia fails to obtain the required certification, DOE must develop a contingency plan for counting RCV ballots, which should be in final form by October 6, 2008.

Response required: Department of Elections; Elections Commission

8. The DOE's outreach program needs to improve voter instructions on the Ranked-Choice Voting process and the use of Absentee Ballots.

Response required: Department of Elections; Elections Commission

9. In addition to established communication approaches, the DOE should explore enhance techniques to communicate information on the less understood aspects of voting such as partisan primary elections, Ranked-Choice Voting and Absentee Ballots. Final Report and Certification of Election Results and Canvass Procedures - The Secretary of State's certification of the Edge II machines requires the DOE to manually count all voter Verified Paper Audit Trails and compare those results to the machines electronic records.

Full grand jury report here

Hendersonville NC used touchscreens/uncertified IRV software

Hendersonville NC was one of the IRV pilots, and has 100% touchscreen voting. They were given an illegal software work around to use that would "automate" the tabulation of IRV votes.

Cary has optical scan, and there is no way to automate the counting without the vendor developing new software and computer chips, neither of which exist for our 2 year old machines right now. There is no "work around", just plain old hand counting.

Since IRV is not additive, the ballots have to be hauled away from where they were cast - in order to be counted at one central location.

So, in North Carolina, as long as you go by the way the pilots were done in Cary and Hendersonville, IRV is "easier" on touchscreens, as long as you violate our own laws. Since Hendersonville didn't actually need to hold an "instant" runoff, the illegal work around was not used.

Fair Vote webpage: San Fran should have used touchscreens

Fair Vote wanted San Francisco to use central count scanners (haul votes away from where they were cast and then count them somwhere else) or touchscreens, instead of adapting their precinct optical scanners:

See
All for Instant runoff: How San Francisco almost got all touch screen voting

Or go to the Fair Vote web-page (before it gets scrubbed, but I do have a screen shot)where they attack the San Francisco Elections Dept for how they implemented IRV:

Before going through the detailed chronology, here are two particularly poor decisions that directly threatened the success of IRV implementation:

October 7

Elections Director John Arntz goes against advice from his vendor, members of the Elections Commission, and staff from the Center for Voting and Democracy, and makes a decision to have ES&S upgrade the Optech Eagles (precinct-based scanner) for counting IRV ballots, rather than using the Optech IV-C (centralized scanner) or touch screens. Arntz rejects central scan solution because it requires transporting and handling ballots, rejects touch screen because he claims there is a lack of time and money.

So Fair Vote attacks San Francisco's election director for Not hauling ballots away from the polling place to be counted, and for NOT adopting touchscreen voting machines.

I support IRV

IRV is supported by Democracy NC, NC Fair Share and the NC League of Women Voters.

NCVoter is using multiple websites to create the illusion of broad opposition to IRV. The most egregious is the anonymous website referenced in the post, instantrunoffvoting.us, pretending to give the truth about IRV.

Domain Name: INSTANTRUNOFFVOTING.US
Domain ID: D14468536-US
Sponsoring Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
Registrant Organization: NC Voter

Other sockpuppet sites include:
instantrunoff.blogspot.com
irvbad4nc.blogspot.com
noirvnc.blogspot.com

These sites cross reference each other and ncvoter.net to give the illusion of authority. I am tired of NCVoter using deception (and using BlueNC) to further this campaign of misinformation about a voting process which helps to increase participation in our democracy.

I support the IRV pilot project.

please rebut anything I post - point by point and with docs

If I have posted anything incorrect on my website blog or anywhere, please provide the points and the documentation.

If you go to www.instantrunoffvoting.us you will see that I provide documentation to everything on that site, links referring back to the San Francisco elections website, their election results, their budtget, mainstream media news reports.

Fair Vote has an extensive website, but does not provide documentation for what it says.

I would be happy to update my website if you provide new information.

I felt the need for a separate website that is all about instant runoff voting because there is no such site for that one purpose.

The Center for Range Voting has alot of material about IRV, but their site adresses other methods as well.

I have a blog because I want to educate and inform the public.

In addition to the documentation I provide, I have interviewed officials, consultants for Greens and Dems and also Gavin Newsome's former campaign manager Jim Ross, David Lee with the Chinese Voter Education Committee in San Francisco, and political writers and analysts from the San Francisco area.

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sorry - duplicate posting due to being logged off by system

You don't know what you are talking about.

FairVote has been setting up multiple websites all over the country to promote IRV. Hell - Rob Richie even set up the website for the Wake County BOE to sell IRV using claims with no factual basis.

FairVote is doing that with their NCvotes123 site (or whatever it's called). They claim it's a coalition website, but it was really set up by Elena Everett (former IRV Director of FairVoteNC and daughter-in-law of Wake BOE chair John Gilbert). So it's hardly the grassroots group they claim it is.

FairVote and DemocracyNC get hundreds of thouesands of dollars in donations and foundation grants and they can afford to put up all these sites and spend the time to go out and talk to other groups and make it look like IRV has been studied carefully before being recommended by other groups.

That is not the case with most IRV opponents like Joyce McCloy and myself. We do this as citizen activists not as paid advocates or lobbyists.

If IRV is so great, how come no one from the Cary Town Council is stepping up to speak on behalf of IRV? They don't want to use it again! Ask Don Frantz or Vicki Maxwell who had to go through IRV in their election. Ask Cary Town Councilor, Julie Roberson, who originally supported and voted for pilot, and no longer supports it and has stated, “If you do not have confidence in the process, it is hard to have confidence in the election results.” She doesn't have confidence in the process that she voted for - especially after she saw the tabulation process.

And you have absolutely no factual basis for making the claim that IRV helps to increase participation in our democracy.

In fact, voter turnout is down in San Francisco where IRV has been used for 4 years. And IRV led two candidates to drop out of the Cary Town Council At-Large race last year. Both hardly could be considered increasing participation in our democracy.

And there is a new report out on elections in San Francisco that addresses problems with IRV:

A new report on the conditions of San Francisco's elections dept as just released on July 3, 2008. That report also noted several problems with their IRV program after 4 years of doing IRV:

-their new Sequoia machines for RCV still haven't been certified by the state (not federally certified either)
-they need a contingency plan for counting the RCV ballots if the new machines aren't certified in time for the election,
-and they need more "public outreach" (voter ed) on ranked choice voting.

This is partly because there is no federally certified software yet. San Francisco is following California law that voting systems have to be federally certified.

...Another problem, according to the report, is the lack of certification by the California Secretary of State of San Francisco's new Sequoia voting machines for ranked-choice voting, instituted in 2002 for elections to some city offices in order to avoid runoff elections. State certification was still pending at the time of the report.

With a high voter turnout expected for November's presidential election, the Elections Department needs a contingency plan, an alternative method of counting ranked-choice ballots, in place in case the Sequoia machines are not certified by the election, the report concluded.

The report also said additional public outreach efforts are needed on voter registration requirements, ranked-choice voting and absentee voting.

The full report can be viewed at http://www.sfgov.org/site/uploadedfiles/courts/divisions/Civil_Grand_Jur...
http://cbs5.com/localwire/22.0.html?type=bcn&item=SF-ELECTIONS-REPORT-baglm

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Sign the Petition to Restore Election Integrity in NC by opposing IRV
http://gopetition.com/petitions/oppose-instant-runoff-voting.html

We don't need the added confusion of IRV right now

North Carolina has just barely completed the learning curve on verifiable paper trails and we don't need anything gumming up our elections especially this year.

Poll workers will be hard put to keep up with the additional voters who will come in droves this Fall. It's lunacy to try anything as complicated as IRV without giving sufficient time to train them and the voters.

Progressives are the true conservatives.

Progressive Democrats of America supports IRV

http://pdamerica.org/policy/priorities.php

Wake Forest won't play us anymore
Michigan last year
LSU - you are next
Go ASU!

Maybe it makes sense for some, but not for us.

Not now anyway.

Progressive Democrats of North Carolina

Progressives are the true conservatives.

With properly written software mated to optical scanners

IRV would make perfect sense. Until that software is ready, tested and verifiable, IRV is a crapshoot at the mercy of human understanding and manpower limitations.

It's a good idea whose time has not yet come.

Person County Democrats

Environmental Defense Fund

Cell phones will be to the 21st century what tobacco was to the 20th.