Senate Bill 1068 passes third reading in Senate, Mountain Ridge Protection Act still strong ASU and GOSS lost

Submitted by CHAOS on Thu, 08/06/2009 - 3:07pm

Senate Bill 1068 passed its third reading in the Senate. The bill respected the 1983 Mountain Ridge Protection Act. Goss and Appy state tried to rally at the end, but it did not work. I know you will call me NIMBY and what ever, but the ridges were protected by a law years ago, and I have a profound respect for the people that put that bill in place.

At the same time, I have a right to be NIMBY as I do not think the research is there to support big wind energy. I hope that the coast can work to keep the turbines away from shore, or best yet, under water. That technology looks promising, and as usual, the Russians are ahead of us. We need to keep working on solar.

Now the bill will be debated in the house.

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So much for alternative energy

Submitted by usna77 on Fri, 08/07/2009 - 1:07pm.

The original bill was fine. It gave local county governments the option to veto wind projects.

Now we won't have any wind power development in the mountains, and if some have their way, we won't have any in the entire state.

Maybe we could start up hamster farms with lots of little wheels to drive generators.

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Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. -- sign on Einstein's office wall.

Wind energy is not proven.

Submitted by CHAOS on Sun, 08/09/2009 - 12:39pm.

Do the math. These people pushing for the wind farms will tell you "at full capacity" this wind farm will do bla bla bla.....Well...they never run at full capacity. The best you can hope for is 25 to 30% capacity. Not worth the money and the damage to the mountains and coast. When do we use the most electricity? Summer! When do we have the least wind.....SUMMER! And when they are not working, we have to go to coal fired back up. There is just no gain. Then once the turbines are up, then they can come forward with the eminent domain paperwork, and put lines accross your property and worse. No one hears the adverse effects...only the propaganda put out there by the people who want to make money. Again, the ridges need state protection, and putting this in the hands of local government....they could not handle it.

Do the research

Submitted by scharrison on Sat, 08/15/2009 - 5:55pm.

"Wind energy is not proven."

Wrong:

During the past two decades, the Wind Energy Program has worked with industry to develop a number of prototype technologies, many of which have become commercially viable products. One example is the GE Wind Energy 1.5-MW wind turbine. At the end of 2007, GE had more than 6,500 of these machines installed worldwide. The design of GE's 1.5-MW machine is based on work conducted with GE and its predecessors (Zond and Enron). Since the early 1990s, the program worked with these companies to test components such as blades, generators, and control systems on the various generations of machines that led to GE's 1.5-MW workhorse. Another project that is demonstrating commercial success is the new 2.5-MW wind turbine manufactured by Clipper Windpower. Clipper produced a prototype of its 2.5-MW Liberty wind turbine in 2005 after only three years of cooperative research and development work with the Wind Energy Program. The company installed 170 MW of its 2.5-MW machine in 2007.

"When do we use the most electricity? Summer!"

Wrong:

It's the time of year when homes have their highest energy demand of the year. Heating accounts for 34% of all annual utility usage and is part of what makes an average home twice the emitter of carbon dioxide emissions as a vehicle.

I'm all for having a reasonable debate about specifics relating to public policy. That being said, I also don't fancy allowing people to use BlueNC as a platform to regurgitate right-wing talking points like, "Wind energy is a hoax" and other crap you've tried to pass off here.

Tell you what, why don't you take this crusade of yours somewhere else, okay?

A Windmill is not a Wind Turbine! You must believe ASU energy

Submitted by CHAOS on Mon, 08/17/2009 - 7:52pm.

I do not sit on the right, Steve, but I do believe in fiscal responsibility. If I remember right you are the same one that questioned what I stated about several environmental non-profits not being in compliance with soliciting licenses in NC. Remember, I showed you how to research the information?

I guess ASU has brainwashed you also. You are aware that the report they (ASU Energy Dept.) filed in 2007, and presented to the legislative commission on Global Climate Change, regarding all the jobs that would be created in NC if greenhouse gas emmisions were reduced, was found to be "not worth the paper it was printed on." You can research that information because I am sure you think I made that up, also.

I am a bit shocked that you feel we use more electricity in the winter.....not true, Steve.

American Electric Reliability Corp May 19 2009
Peak demand puts a lot of pressure on the electric grid as capacity has to be expanded to meet the times of greatest electricity use. Maximum demand on the power grid occurs during weekday afternoons and evenings in the summer months in most regions of the United States. This electricity is the most expensive to generate.

My Fickle Friend the Summer Wind by Drew Thornley
As opposed to peak demand occurring in the winter in the UK, here in Texas, peak demand is during the summer, when wind blows the least. The Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which manages about 85 percent of Texas’ electric grid, relies on just 8.7 percent of wind power’s capacity when determining available power during peak summer hours. Not exactly there when we need it.

You do not mention capacity factor...too far over your head?

Those former ENRON turbines....they are now rusting where in California and no one will take them down? You want to put the ridges and the coastal area in jeopardy with those things? And a report just came out that tourism was up a bit in certain areas of NC. Let's just kill tourism in the mountains and the coast by erecting turbines. Let's just destroy the property values of second homes (and primary) in these areas. For what? Renewable Energy that really should be called supplemental energy?

Remember the doomsters of the 1970's? We would run out of oil, etc. etc. They were wrong. I feel that today's doomsters will be wrong, also. But I would have to go into a long "crap" of CO2 levels and how there could be a plan to reduce the federal deficit by a tax on carbon energy, so called cap and trade, but you have asked me to quit crapping here.

NAH....left the door open for you, Steve, and I am lacing up my favorite boots with the pointed toes. If I was you I would back out, slowly.

I figured you would reveal yourself soon enough

Submitted by scharrison on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 5:45am.

Remember the doomsters of the 1970's? We would run out of oil, etc. etc. They were wrong. I feel that today's doomsters will be wrong, also. But I would have to go into a long "crap" of CO2 levels and how there could be a plan to reduce the federal deficit by a tax on carbon energy, so called cap and trade, but you have asked me to quit crapping here.

You're not only a NIMBY, you're a Global Warming Denier. Like I said, take your little talking points and go somewhere else. You're not going to convince anybody here, and I'm not going to allow you to use BlueNC for this mess.

I'll be in training for 11 more hours today, so maybe another moderator could step in here and deal with this.

Freedom of Speech as long as it is yours?

Submitted by CHAOS on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 10:48am.

It is not freedom of speech when you use yours to silence another side of the debate.

BTW, I did not state my opinion on global warming. And you can call me NIMBY all you want. I have a right to question the technology and maybe you should too.

Then with every election the county rules could change

Submitted by CHAOS on Sat, 08/15/2009 - 1:36pm.

Yep.....I could tell you who would run in my county....for their own personal agenda. The protected ridges would be up for grabs. NO THANKS.

Instead of hampsters, let's just put a small turbine on the back of every car!

Commercial Wind energy is a hoax, and a waste of money...and we should not have commercial wind farms anywhere in this state with the technology that we have right now. What a waste of money.

There are many hoaxes and you seem to have fallen

Submitted by funluvn on Sat, 08/15/2009 - 7:05pm.

for each of them. Where do you get your information? Konservative Radio? (yes)

Bring something other than your personal uninformed opinion here if you don't want to be mocked.

I'm mocking you. See real information above from sc. I can Google more if you need me to.

North Carolina. Turning the South Blue!

Feel free to use your backyard funlovn! I am NIMBY!

Submitted by CHAOS on Mon, 08/17/2009 - 8:00pm.

Please see the response "A Windmill is not a Wind Turbine." You can not even generate an educated response to my post.....so you do not have an educated opinion? It is so easy just to "mock" someone rather than be knowlegable about the topic, right?

An educated opinion is what I brought

Submitted by funluvn on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 7:40am.

You know nothing beyond ignorance. Mock? Yes. Simply because you need to be mocked.

North Carolina. Turning the South Blue!

And it won't be proven in NC

Submitted by usna77 on Sun, 08/09/2009 - 7:37pm.

so now we just use more coal.

Good job!

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Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. -- sign on Einstein's office wall.

I share your disgust

Submitted by James on Sun, 08/09/2009 - 7:55pm.

North Carolina often manages to turn leadership opportunity into dog doo ... which is exactly what happened here.

Yay for more acid rain!

Do good. Be nice. Have fun.

If you want to support technology with a capacity factor of 30%

Submitted by CHAOS on Sat, 08/15/2009 - 1:29pm.

then you go for it. The capacity factor in the summer, when electrical useage is the highest, is only 10%. When wind industry officials tell you that the turbines will power 7000 homes at full capapcity, it is a bold LIE. Turbines NEVER run at full capacity.....again CF is at BEST 30%. So if you want to take 5 acres or more of land, and clear cut all the trees for ONE turbine...you go right ahead....in your backyard, not mine. If you want to deal with rolling blackouts when there is little power added to the grid, go for it!

We have to look toward solar, and other methods. The Wind Industry claims are false.

James...wind energy will have no effect on acid rain....it will not help. We would be better served to make sure all the termites in the US are dead. Look at the CO2 they produce.

Wind Energy is really a hoax. I will keep on protecting the highest ridges!

WInd energy does not shut down coal plants

Submitted by CHAOS on Sat, 08/15/2009 - 1:38pm.

Ok so you do not want coal.....so when the wind is not blowing, and you do not want coal fired backup, you can sit in the dark and sweat! Think about what you are saying!