The problem with Libertarianism: Part 2 (political cartoon)
Continuing from yesterday's theme I want to focus on what killed libertarianism for me.
I heard Harry Browne on the radio speaking about Libertarians and was interested. Some of my friends were going to a Libertarian Party picnic so I joined in. The local candidate for Libertarian Party mayor talked a lot about privacy and freedom and it all sounded great and the guy wasn't an asshole, so that helped. I decided to give the guy my support.
Then he went on a local radio talk show and blew it. He was asked about his position on public services and he advocated the privatizing of many publicly owned parks and infrastructure. The real eye-opener was his support for auctioning off the SIDEWALKS in Winston-Salem to a private contractor who would in turn issue a "sidewalk pass" (similar to a bus pass) to pedestrians who wanted to walk in town.
I shit thee not.
When I received my Libertarian Party info pack in the mail the next week, the totality of their platform was the most selfish political stance I had ever seen at that point. The basic premise was to depend on the goodwill of people and business to always do the right thing. Which is, as we all know, the common denominator of Wal Mart and Halliburton. There were to be NO public commons. If the people want a park, a private company will find a way to make it profitable. If the park is not profitable, the timber or coal from the land might be. In essence, their platform was the ultimate destroyer of community in every sense of the word.
So what is wrong with little l libertarianism? Much the same thing. As evidenced in the brawl over at Daily Kos yesterday in Part 1, the chief complaint was people wanted to opt out of citizenship. They wanted to pay their share of taxes only when they are able to define what their share is. They want the benefits of living in a civic community but want none of the responsibilities. Some wanted proof that citizenship came with responsibilities! (Hit this link for what they are exactly)
So they all said privacy and freedom, but it all came down to bitching about taxes. How they want out of the US and leave the US debt behind. How civic. The main complaints they have do not come from democracy, but from corrupt government officials that are beholden to corporations. DO I trust George W. Bush with the Grand Canyon? No. Do I trust Halliburton with it? Oh Hell no!
As I see it, the main problem with Libertarianism is the Libertarian Party. What damage the party leaves undone, the sycophants of little l libertarianism finishes off. Cause when they start cheering for Halliburton, I know something is deeply wrong.
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So in your strip
has Kip come to his senses and is "whooshing" home?
No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.
Kip doesn't want to be left alone on that rock.
So off Kip swooshes to meet-up with the rest of the rookery floating away on the iceberg.
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May the Force be with you Kip
Kip
Too funny!
n/t
Very, very clever!
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Town Called Dobson - Daily Political Cartoon: Not all is red in rural America!
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Town Called Dobson - Daily Political Cartoon: Not all is red in rural America!
B-b-b-but
it's MY GODDAMN MONEY. I earned it all by myself because I am a he-man and I didn't need no stinkin' help from your pathetic public schools or roads or water systems or monetary policy or national guard or seat belt laws or zoning Nazis or libraries or tax breaks or whatever. You and your grubby government didn't do squat for me EVER and I think you suck. I don't need you telling me what to do with MY GODDAMN MONEY because it's MY GODDAMN MONEY and I don't give a flying flip about anyone else because the FREE MARKET is infallible and I'm happy to pay some private company to walk on their sidewalks. Freedom in on the crawl, you you flightless bird man wacko commie kipper.
I see you are reading my email.
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Reading it?
I'm writing it, Mr. Bear!
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My problem
I believe in great personal freedoms with as little governmental oversight as possible, but I also believe we have moral obligations to provide some level of safety net and protection of rights to all members of society.
When I take the political compass test, I end up being moderately libertarian and moderately left.
Though I am not rich and probably will never be, I have isues with the "punish the rich" mentality of many on the left.
Though I am reasonably spiritual, I have problems with the religious right's seeming interest in creating a "Christian Taliban" in the US.
It seems to me there are a lot of people like me who are not indecisive/ wishy-washy centrists, but hold a set of values maybe not fully covered by the DEM, REP, or LIB parties. We're just the "idiots" out there who can't be pegged and "can't make enough of a stand" to pick a party.
I think there's a chance I could be a Democrat, but there's something in the rhetoric that scares me. At minimum, I am bothered by the fact that even though Dems seem to have their hearts in the right place and even though I probably agree with a lot of their plans, there seems to be a lack of recognition that government takes money from people and puts it into gov. programs, often at the point of a gun. So many politicians speak of lowering taxes or redistributing wealth(raising taxes on the hated rich) better, but so few seem interested in talking about spending more wisely. Perhaps if the Dems had more of a message of recognizing the importance and sacrifice for every dollar in the treasury, some of us wouldn't be afriad of a "we're in charge now" shopping spree. No need to send a reply talking about how the REPs spent like drunken sailor the last few years- I know that.
So I am stuck with my heart on the left and my head towards the no-bigger-than-it-absolutely-has-to-be that those on the right supposedly want. Several posts here lately seem to indicate those like me are not wanted in the Dem party as we'd just be "Dems talking like conservatives" or DINOs. Heaven forbid both sides might have some admirable ideas!!!
Thanks SPLIb
Thanks for stating your position clearly. For the record, I think that there are many like you in your local Dem. Party. I don't think that there will be a "whoopie - we're in charge now spending spree" - the country has had enough of that in the past six years. It makes my brain hurt to say it, because it's not supposed to be this way, but the Dems have actually been more fiscally responsible (on a national level) than the republicans have. I believe you'll see that. Priorities will definitely shift - and that will be a good thing, in my opinion. Perhaps some mandates will be funded, finally, and some inequities will be fixed. A few benefits of the new DEM majority have already been seen, ie.: the resignations of Rumsfeld and Bolton. Neither of those would have happened if the Republicans held a majority in the House or Senate.
As far as locally, there is a lot of room in the MCDP for differing opinions, and differing degrees of various "isms" - small libertarianism among them. You - and your ideas - would be welcome.You certainly wouldn't be alone. We've got true blue yellow-dogs like me, who were born and raised in and on the Party, blue dogs, those who "converted" because Reagan scared the mess out of them in the 80's, some who climbed on the Dean bandwagon in 2004, and everything else in between. The hardest part, I think, about being part of a political party is supporting that Party when a decision is made that I don't agree with. But that happens from time to time; and I believe that my voice and my vote has a bit more power when combined with those of my compadres (I almost said "comrades", but figured that might be taken the wrong way). So if you ever want to check us out, let me know, I'll give you the secret handshake and everything.
"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi
FYI, I'm a registered independent
And they still let me post here! The nerve!
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Town Called Dobson - Daily Political Cartoon: Not all is red in rural America!
This strip reminds me of:
Eddie the Eagle. Now there was a guy who just went ahead and did something despite the apparent obstacles.