Time to condemn torture

This is one of the most astonishing "debates" I have witnessed during my lifetime. A former vice president of the United States has chosen to make his call for the continued torture of prisoners the apparent centerpiece of his public legacy. A newly elected president of the United States is forced to make a major national policy address defending his refusal to countenance torture, and his commitment to the rule of law.

Oh yes, in Cheneyspeak it's "enhanced interrogation techniques" for "terrorists" to "save American lives". But no one has the least doubt of the meaning behind these nauseating euphemisms. They mean using any kind of abuse--ANY kind--that MIGHT get some information or confession from anyone who MIGHT be a threat, or know something that could be a threat, that worries the torturer-in-chief.

Because we're just flat terrified. And our laws, our values, our faiths, just don't mean that much when it comes down to making choices.

Accepting the Cheney arguments means we're willing to institutionalize that lack of values. It means we're willing to admit in cold blood to practicing ancient horrors that modern civilization has spent centuries putting behind us.

That is unacceptable. It's unacceptable for our national politicians to accept or apologize for the Cheney horrors. I contend that it's unacceptable for them to turn their heads and ignore them, now that a fawning international media conglomerate (the Murdoch empire) has given the Cheney views the benefit of treatment as legitimate.

It's time for our national leaders, and anyone who aspires to national leadership, to say clearly: Torture is unacceptable. It has no place in American national policy. Cheney is out of bounds. This is insanity, and it's time to put that insanity behind us.

It's time to call for Republican leaders to say it. Torture is unacceptable, and Cheney is wrong. Sure, the legacy of Lincoln has been badly battered in recent years, but are you ready to disavow it entirely? If not, speak up now.

It's certainly time for Democratic leaders to say it. No more cowering to fearmongering over the Guantanamo Bay prison. Take the offensive. Condemn Cheney's defense of torture, and demand that your Republican colleagues join you in that condemnation. Stop cooperating with the euphemisms. No more "enhanced interrogation techniques". Speak up.

Speak up now.

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Torture is unacceptable.

By way of explanation--

Since no one is asking: Why do a post on something this obvious to anyone (especially any progressive Democrat) with half a brain?

It's because what's obvious to folks who frequent this site is often a key topic of continuing debate in the polity at large. Sometimes when we neglect to pitch in there, we enable the extremists on the right to ignore a key difference and shift the debate to a subsidiary point.

Case in point: The GOPs have succeeded in shifting the debate in Congress away from whether we're going to uphold or abandon our fundamental values and Constitutional principles on judicial process and fair treatment (including humane physical treatment) for imprisoned suspects. They've yammered up the subsidiary NIMBY fear of where to transfer prisoners from the to-be-closed Gitmo. It's enabling them to weasel away from responsibility for the idiocies--like torture of prisoners--that put us in this mess in the first place.

Political accountability for those immoral policies won't come unless we're willing to spare the time and energy to remind the general public and media about the main differences. By condemning them now, and calling on GOP leaders to either explicitly defend or disavow them, we push those unacceptable and immoral policies back out of the realm of the politically defensible.

Dan Besse

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it's Memorial Day tomorrow. Always a good day to look in the mirror.

That's one reason I'm keeping this diary up front.

This is what the political class wants.

The "shifts" in the debate are not a result of battling between Republicans and Democrats - it's the result of their cooperation. Obama doesn't want to really rock the boat. He doesn't want to reign in the intelligence community. He doesn't want to actually get rid of indefinite detentions. Even if, deep down in his heart, he really did want to change things he is much smarter than to act on those desires. Cheney is actually doing Obama a favor by doing his best to shift the debate to such a degree that it makes Obama's inevitable decisions to essentially 'stay the course' appear to be the politically necessary thing to do. Cheney is willing to destroy whatever credibility he had left with the intellectual establishment to give Obama this helping hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jshogbjtYs

Obama doesn't care less about the constitution. He just cares about keeping up a much more credible pretense of 'the rule of law'. Actually, for this entire post it would probably be more accurate to replace "Obama" with "Obama's handlers".

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Time to condemn torture

Thanks, Dan.

It IS time to condemn torture.

It's past time.

John Heuer

Time to condemn torture

again apparently. Even though we are signatories to treaties that bind us legally, America has gone backwards on this issue.

Torture is illegal.

Why do we need to say more than that?
Do we honor the rule of law OR NOT?

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