Power Struggle Grips State

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Rumors or reality? NC State is all a-twitter either way.

Toby Parcel, dean of the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at NC State, has apparently been pressuring department heads to come up with proposals to submit to the Pope Foundation. One department discussed this possibility at its February 14, 2007, faculty meeting.

Several faculty members noted that the values and agenda of the Pope Foundation are incompatible with the values and mission of a public university. In view of this conflict, department faculty decided that they did not want to seek Pope Foundation funding or have anything to do with the Foundation.

The student newspaper at NC State, The Technician, reported in a recent editorial that David Riggs, vice-president of operations and programs at the Pope Foundation, said that the foundation will give no more money to NC State unless the faculty members who made derogatory remarks about the foundation apologize for those remarks.

Wow. Art Pope thinks he can use his money as a lever to quash the free speech rights of university professors. Which is not surprising since the Puppetmaster doesn't play unless he's holding all the strings. To my knowledge.

What better evidence does anyone need this is someone from whom any university worthy of the name should keep its distance?

Mr. Pope should apologize for trying to undermine the integrity of the academy.


The student paper

by the way, says take the money. Students. Can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em.

Looks like the newspaper's editorial board learned its lessons at the Puppetmaster's knee. What's a little selling of your soul when there's so much money on the line?

those who wrote in

to the student paper were overwhelmingly against this.

however, much of the "editorial staff" is full of a bunch of pope fundies. Anglico, you think the N&O is biased towards the pope foundation? I see the effects of them every single day. The amount of people my age who swallow the bs that pope and civitas puts out is disgusting.

I have classmates that work or have internships with different pope groups. they are all puppets through and through. this is an effort by him to turn our entire college into a pope breeding ground.

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That's too bad.

Back in my day we didn't read the local papers, just the campus papers, and it was pretty progressive for rural PA the way I remember. I wonder if there shouldn't be an editorial coup by the NCYDs?

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.

You apologize now or I am going to smoke you out?

David Riggs, vice-president of operations and programs at the Pope Foundation, said that the foundation will give no more money to NC State unless the faculty members who made derogatory remarks about the foundation apologize for those remarks.* Student suck up to Art paper


Dear Mr. Art!

I am Jose Jesus Lopes Santana. I work the midnight shift at State cleaning up the Brickyard every nite after the students have gone to bed. I also clean the Dean's Office of Social Studies during this time. I found this note in the Dean's trash can from your number 2 man saying screw you and the Wolf you rode in on about not taking the bag money.

Is it possible that you can give me the money and I will pass it on to the other Profs to promote your cause for making Pot legal on the State campus. Don't worry! I can get great discounts for the Pot from my cousin Pedro who runs a international transportion company.

I can promise you that the whole student body will be excite about your donation and most likely will surge the Young Republicans NC State club to impressive membership numbers.

Remember Art! You are taking a old Democratic political trick from President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

" A Pot in both Dean's Garages"

The Department in Question ...

Just to add to the discussion, I heard it was the Department of Sociology and Anthropology at NC State who decided not to go for Pope money. Good for them. Makes me proud to have been a sociology major!

That figures

a bunch of hippies.


It was

go check out the list of professors who get grants from them. our economics department is owned by the pope foundation right now.

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to put it another way

i am honestly afraid to put my full thoughts on the subject into the newspaper (student or n&o) for fear of a response from art pope. intimidation is not just acceptable to them, it is right behind personal attacks and lots of money as the first three steps they will take when challenged.

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What an irony that a "Foundation" spends so much to undermine the foundations of academic freedom under the guise of "academic freedom". One of the Pope Foundation's cancerous organs, The John William Pope Education Policy Center for Hire, waxes ludicrous:

an end to the use of racial and ethnic preferences in, among other things, public university admissions
that higher education has been oversold to the public
rampant abuse of First Amendment rights within the UNC System

And newbie Jane Shaw writes:

North Carolina has an excellent and well-supported system of higher education. Because so much of the system is funded through the state legislature, it will always be subject to the push and pull of special interests. That’s why we need watchdogs to shine the light of publicity on dubious uses. The Pope Center for Higher Education Policy is one of those watchdogs

Newsflash: The Pope Education Policy Center for Hire is one of those special interests. If they had their way there would be no government involvement, no watchdogs, no light. Only a dark age of conservative mono-theism with the invisible hand of the market free to roam and pillage without fear of casting traceable shadows. A dark age feigning color-blindness but advancing western white English speaking judeo-christianity with the secret handshake of "character". Right people know who the "right people" are.

First amendment abuses

Want to know what first amendent abuse means for these people? It means that those pesky professors wouldnt be allowed to question students beliefs. In every class I have ever had even my most liberal professors (one was an admitted communist, and a great teacher) questioned everyone and every view equally. But for the pope foundation, david horowitz and others, you cant question conservative students, and demand that they give you reasons and facts. that is discrimination.

everyone knows about the war against science, but there is a war against education, and the pope foundation is on the front lines.

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Strange Bedfellows

Far be it for me to offer any defense of the Pope Foundation, but this whole thing seems a bit hypocritical to me. Are we now to believe that the faculty at NC State--or any of the campuses in the UNC system--is establishing a litmus test for university funding? If so, and we're applying the same standard to every funding source, in equal measure, then fine. If every source is afforded the same scrutiny, then that's great--from now on, every dollar the University accepts has to be compatible with the values and mission of a public university.

But, that's not what's happening...and I think that's problematic.

Sodexho-Marriott is multi-national food service provider that owns and operates a handful of the food services operations on campuses in the UNC system. They are also the largest shareholder in the Corrections Corporation of America, the company that claims to be the creator of the private prisons industry in the United States. Are private prisons compatible with the values and mission of a public university?

Last month, the NC Young Democrats were at the General Assembly lobbying for "a disinvestment from the Sudanese government and businesses, which have, according to the United Nations and the U.S. government, been funding the Janjaweed genocide in Darfur." Universities from across the country, including Duke and Davidson, have started campaigns to push for for divestment on their respective campuses. Has the faculty researched whether or not the Sudanese government or businesses have interests in any of the state's public universities, as they've found in California? Certainly genocide isn't compatible with the values and mission of a public university.

And who defines the values and mission of a public university, anyway? Is gambling compatible with the values and mission of a university? If not, why are universities taking a share of lottery proceeds? I mean, if you asked me, Article IX, Section 9 of the NC Constitution offers some guidance:

The General Assembly shall provide that the benefits of The University of North Carolina and other public institutions of higher education, as far as practicable, be extended to the people of the State free of expense.

For NC State, the Morrill Land-Grant Act is particularly relevant and it establishes the university's values when it says:

...each State which may take and claim the benefit of this Act, to the endowment, support, and maintenance of at least one college where the leading object shall be, without excluding other scientific and classical studies and including military tactics, to teach such branches of learning as are related to agriculture and the mechanic arts, in such manner as the legislatures of the States may respectively prescribe, in order to promote the liberal and practical education of the industrial classes on the several pursuits and professions in life.

And yet, somehow, the faculty don't seem to mind violating that mission and those values when the administration proposes tuition increases year after year after year.

Point being: it's all a very slippery slope...and in the absence of a huge bureaucracy to scrutinize every dollar that the university receives, I think you proceed with caution.

The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. - Robert F. Kennedy

There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

Few things

I think you are right to worry about establishing a dangerous precendent. However, I think there are times when you can do something without having a slippery slope.

This isnt about the 'values' of NC State. If it was I would make a big deal about Art Pope violation election law and the fact that no "study" by the John Locke Foundation would get a passing grade in any class at state. This is about the complete purpose of our university system.

To provide as free an education as possible to every citizen of this state. That is the stated goal of the university system in North Carolina. It is in our constitution. The Pope Foundation rejects that. So long as they do they reject the foundation upon which my school rests.

As for the administrators, they are victims of the fact that we are either unwilling or unable to provide a free education and still fully fund our schools. I dont fault them. I dont fault the board of governors for approving the tuition hikes. I blame Easley and the legislature, and I blame guys like Art Pope who would probably shit a brick if our state actually made a top level quality education even cheaper. God forbid we try to educate our entire population instead of rich kids.

Never forget that the ideal college for these people is a place like Duke, but smaller, and with less federal funds. Places like community colleges, and our 16 public universities are a blight upon the landscape for them. Never forget that when evaluating this issue.

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Slippery slope arguments are slippery

and not productive. Once you start having all consequences in all possible futures tied to each decision today, any action becomes impossible.

Make the case for or against any particular transaction and let the chips fall where they may. If a "no" leads to examining other choices in the same light, I consider that a good idea, not something to be afraid

Do I get to withhold money?

Seeing as my alma mater and CHASS, poli sci major, both are looking at taking Pope money, does that mean I can call the Dean and say "hey i'm not donating again until you guys man up and deny funding from such an obvious divise political group."?

Probably not, but it may be worth a shot.

And while we are the topic of the Technician and all things political at NCST, here's the deal. Most student power is run by conservatives, this includes media, student government, and most organizations. It can be accepted as rightfully such b/c the campus is Republican. However the progressive thought wasn't always squashed, but it can be when needed to. Progressives and democrats are definitly viewed as a dirty word/group at NC State than most other Universities.

Our children need to know that some people fought back, when others collaborated.

Our children need to know that some people fought back, when others collaborated.


it creates hilarious situations. like last year, when both people running for student body president in the runoff were for an increase in student services and a decrease in tuition.

i would say that math is obviously not a requirement to graduate, but i know that it is both a requirement to get in and to graduate.

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second...republicans will

second...republicans will always get their way unless someone talks back to them. maybe I should work on that Master's...